Zynewave.
wanyzeTwo quotes were posted at the KVR forum:
…the backwards signal flow only confuses and turns people off of continuing with Podium.
Same here. I’ve tried using Podium a few times, but I could never get the hang of the hierarchy.
See, for any beginner (like me) this it is very very confusing to have the hirarchy upside down too. That’s why i’m wondering if it is possible for future versions to have an option/switch of reversing the signal flow? Internally it could still be reversed, but all controls on the interface just would be drawn from top to bottom. Any thoughts?
NeoDavinciThe hierarchy isn’t backwards. It flows quite properly from items with the highest precedence to those most subordinate. Incidentally, signals on a mixer flow from top to bottom too.
kingtubbyThe upwards flow has always felt perfectly natural to me and I don’t really understand why some folks have difficulties with that – I can see why the right to left flow in the mixer strip could be problematic for some though.
Mart.
darcyb62@kingtubby wrote:
The upwards flow has always felt perfectly natural to me and I don’t really understand why some folks have difficulties with that – I can see why the right to left flow in the mixer strip could be problematic for some though.
Mart.
I agree. It wasn’t the upward flow that threw me it was the right to left flow. Coming from Tracktion which is built solely on a left to right flow paradigm cause a bit of confusion.
spritexI guess Frits is secretly Japanese!
Seriously, I don’t really have an opinion about it yet – I just started a few days ago. As you say it seems ok on the arrange at least.
ConquistadorThat’s why i’m wondering if it is possible for future versions to have an option/switch of reversing the signal flow?
I can’t remember which thread or threads 🙂 but this was discussed sometime ago, I think a search for “hierarchy” might help. 😉
I would guess that Frits is not 100% against at least considering your idea (I think it has been suggested before even), but I think he probably has other immeadiate priorities, once he is back we will know for sure if he will consider it or not. 😉
I can see why the right to left flow in the mixer strip could be problematic for some though.
Not a problem for me and of course most Podium users but I agree. I can see how this would at least initally could confuse.
Podium is quite different (in a good way) in some of the ways it offers to do certain things but I can see how a new user might ask “but why, what and how?” initially.
kingtubby@Conquistador wrote:
I can see why the right to left flow in the mixer strip could be problematic for some though.
Not a problem for me and of course most Podium users but I agree. I can see how this would at least initally could confuse.
Podium is quite different (in a good way) in some of the ways it offers to do certain things but I can see how a new user might ask “but why, what and how?” initially.
Indeed, it’s no problem for me either. I’m just not sure why Frits decided on the right to left flow. I can’t see any logical reason for that over a left to right direction.
Mart.
acousmodI’m just not sure why Frits decided on the right to left flow. I can’t see any logical reason for that over a left to right direction.
… look at the Windows Explorer tree view ?
darcyb62@acousmod wrote:
I’m just not sure why Frits decided on the right to left flow. I can’t see any logical reason for that over a left to right direction.
… look at the Windows Explorer tree view ?
An looking at it from that perspective it’s extremely logical…
kingtubby@darcyb62 wrote:
@acousmod wrote:
I’m just not sure why Frits decided on the right to left flow. I can’t see any logical reason for that over a left to right direction.
… look at the Windows Explorer tree view ?
An looking at it from that perspective it’s extremely logical…
Not sure about that…a somewhat tenuous connection I think. It’s a moot point anyway, as far as I’m concerned, as I think the current design is fine as it is.
Mart.
darcyb62@kingtubby wrote:
It’s a moot point anyway, as far as I’m concerned, as I think the current design is fine as it is.
Mart.
Moot point to me as well… Once you get used to it, it’s everything else that seems backwards!
wanyzeHowever, here is an analogy of the real world when recording a sound:
> 1. First, the source (a voice, an instrument, etc…)
> 2. going into a microphone
> 3. effects get applied such as reverb, delay, etc..
> 4. output on a speaker.
You wouldn’t start numbering a list from 4 down to 1 in the real world either (silly example, but that’s how it feels like first in Podium). I’m not saying this is right or wrong but that’s the way new users obviously think including me.
spritexYour chain makes sense when starting the recording and setting it up.
But… when mixing, wouldn’t you be more likely to tamper with the “larger” units like overall volumes and effects first?
MaxI just want to add that the current hierarchy view looks the most logical for me.
ZynewaveThe hierarchy and alternative layouts were discussed from about page 2 of this topic:
http://www.zynewave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=668
This was then followed up by:
http://www.zynewave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=675