Topic: Bus send and return question & params in modular vsti’s

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  • #1289
    meloday
    Participant

    Hello all. I’m just trying to get my head around Podium’s mixing structure. I understand the hierachry but i’m having trouble with the figuring out the sends and returns. i’ve watched the videos and looked at the podium guide and tutorials. i think i just need to see a screenshot of someone’s bus send and return setup. i can’t seem to visually make out how this is set up in the tutorials and guide.

    also, i’m a vaz modular user. first off let me say how much i love the way Podium handles multi-outs! fantastic! i’m having troubles though figuring out how i can automate the parameters within a vaz modular patch. this question applies to any modular software program (tassman, reaktor) that doesn’t “show” the parameters to the host. Is it possible to automate parameters of modular software within Podium? Like in eXT, I can assign (local mapping) a CC to a parameter from within vaz. then, i’ll create an envelope in eXT and map the corresponding CC to the envelope track….then automate away! is this possible, or will it be possible in the future?

    thanks all! 8)

    #9926
    kingtubby
    Participant

    Hi, VM user here too πŸ™‚
    It’s quite easy to add automation tracks to VM in Podium. I’m Assuming you’ve already assigned CC’s within VM. In Podium click on the ‘Param’ tab in the track inspector on the left, then click on the little circular button which opens a list allowing you to create new midi parameter objects by CC#. Once you have created the CC objects you need, you can then add the parameters as sub-tracks to VM. Hope that’s clear…For more detail on parameter automation have a look at p70 in the manual.

    Mart.

    #9928
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    i think i just need to see a screenshot of someone’s bus send and return setup

    Try loading the “Examples – busses” project. It shows a few simple bus setups. Also if you are using the latest demo version, the bus send/return tracks can now be automatically created with the options in the “new arrangement” dialog.

    #9931
    meloday
    Participant

    @kingtubby wrote:

    Hi, VM user here too πŸ™‚
    It’s quite easy to add automation tracks to VM in Podium. I’m Assuming you’ve already assigned CC’s within VM. In Podium click on the ‘Param’ tab in the track inspector on the left, then click on the little circular button which opens a list allowing you to create new midi parameter objects by CC#. Once you have created the CC objects you need, you can then add the parameters as sub-tracks to VM. Hope that’s clear…For more detail on parameter automation have a look at p70 in the manual.

    Mart.

    thanks for the info. i’m glad to hear this can be done! though i’m having trouble locating this ‘little circular button’. When i click on the param tab, all i see is a device and mixer button. when i click on the device button, it only calls up Pitch Bend, Channel Pressure, Program Change, Modulation and volume. When i click the mixer but, it only calls up Level, Pan, Send. I don’t see any button that allows me to create new midi parameter objects by CC.

    hopefully it’s not right in front of my face! thanks for the help.

    #9932
    meloday
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    i think i just need to see a screenshot of someone’s bus send and return setup

    Try loading the “Examples – busses” project. It shows a few simple bus setups. Also if you are using the latest demo version, the bus send/return tracks can now be automatically created with the options in the “new arrangement” dialog.

    😳 great, i’ll check out the example-busses project. thanks a lot. i’m using the Free CM version, by the way. Which i must thank you for!

    #9934
    kingtubby
    Participant

    @meloday wrote:

    thanks for the info. i’m glad to hear this can be done! though i’m having trouble locating this ‘little circular button’. When i click on the param tab, all i see is a device and mixer button. when i click on the device button, it only calls up Pitch Bend, Channel Pressure, Program Change, Modulation and volume. When i click the mixer but, it only calls up Level, Pan, Send. I don’t see any button that allows me to create new midi parameter objects by CC.

    hopefully it’s not right in front of my face! thanks for the help.

    I’m not sure, but I think the ‘new midi parameter’ button may have been added since the CM 1.77 version was released. If so, you’ll have to try the demo…

    Mart.

    #9936
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    but I think the ‘new midi parameter’ button may have been added since the CM 1.77 version was released

    Correct. With 1.77 you need to manually create the extra MIDI parameter objects you need, using the shortcut menus in the list window.

    #9938
    meloday
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    but I think the ‘new midi parameter’ button may have been added since the CM 1.77 version was released

    Correct. With 1.77 you need to manually create the extra MIDI parameter objects you need, using the shortcut menus in the list window.

    great. thanks for the response.

    so, i’ve created an extra midi parameter (named “sample position”) as you described above, and i can see it in the list window.

    i’ve assigned the midi parameter to CC 74 and gave it a range from 0-127.

    I’ve gone into Vaz’s local mappings and assigned CC 74 to the sample position.

    When i drag and drop the midi parameter from the list window onto the track lane that is assigned to the Vaz instrument (out 1& 2), i see the dial appear. when i move the dial, i can see the corresponding movement of the sample position on Vaz…so that works!

    What i want to do is to be able to have a dedicated track so i can draw in detailed automation of the sample position.

    When i drag and drop the sample position parameter from the list view onto it’s own track (underneath the Vaz track) i’m no longer to use the dial to control the sample position. so, the dial always has to be on the main instrument track lane?

    I’ve been able to create a track lane specifically for the sample position, and i’m able to draw in automation but when i hit play, the midi parameter doesn’t seem to ‘latch on’, and the automation that i’ve drawn in doesn’t work.

    any help would be so greatly appreciated!

    thanks a lot.

    #9939
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    When i drag and drop the midi parameter from the list window onto the track lane

    You need to place the parameter object under the VAZ device definition (in the same folder as the pitch bend etc. params are located). When you have done this the parameter should appear in the track inspector parameter panel. Double clicking the parameter here will set up an automation track. Also note that you should select the “record as curve sequence…” option in the parameter properties dialog.

    #9940
    meloday
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    When i drag and drop the midi parameter from the list window onto the track lane

    You need to place the parameter object under the VAZ device definition (in the same folder as the pitch bend etc. params are located). When you have done this the parameter should appear in the track inspector parameter panel. Double clicking the parameter here will set up an automation track. Also note that you should select the “record as curve sequence…” option in the parameter properties dialog.

    thanks. but for some reason podium won’t let me place the parameter object under the VAZ device definition. when i try, the circle/cross icon appears. the only place that i can drop the parameter object is in the track lanes. hmmm.

    i appreciate the quick and thorough customer support….especially since i have a free version! rest assured, once i get a few niggles figured out, and get used to the workflow, i’ll show my appreciation by making the purchase.

    thanks again!

    #9941
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    for some reason podium won’t let me place the parameter object under the VAZ device definition. when i try, the circle/cross icon appears

    Click the menu button at the top right of the list and select “enable drag-reordering”. Alternatively you can use cut/copy commands to move the object without dragging.

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