Topic: Clip fades + Auto crossfades (GR)

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  • October 12, 2006 at 00:12 #1011
    Conquistador
    Participant

    (GR) Gentle Reminder 8)

    He he, don’t worry Frits, this is just a friendly chit chat about it….I know you know of it and for all I know are already working on it but…

    As it has been a very long time now and many other frankly IMHO, lesser features have been added to Podium (including my own requests)…

    Is it a case of it simply being too complex to implement?

    FWIW…many times what seems so easy for us on this side of the fence is really diffcult or simply very time consuming for a developer. It’s just that you have been quite transparent about other features being implemented or not, rough timescale (not a guarantee of course) but clip fades…?

    This year? Next year? No idea?

    Either of those three would be fine 😆 Don’t take these questions the wrong way…you encourage interaction from the Podium community my questons here are simply a part of that. 8)

    Of course Podium is more than capable of producing a professional result as it is, to say the least. But in a very strange and unexpected way, (based on your level of interaction with us in the past) very little has been said on the subject for ages, hence this thread.

    I really do not mind waiting much longer for the next release if it will have…

    1.Clip fades
    2.Automatic crossfading of overlapping clips
    3.A choice of clip fade shapes as found in many other hosts.

    You would get three green smileys at least from me! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    The implementation of spline curves is just so good and fun to use I can only imagine how good a ‘fade’ implementation would be.

    With each new release of Podium without clip fades (considering how many of us want it) it becomes quite apparent that something is not as it should be regarding it’s possible implementation.

    I cannot think of any other feature that is wanted more, yet you say so little about it. Is it that you really do not see the importance of it or as I suspect it would require a major rework under the hood of Podium?

    If it is the latter that is hardly unexpected as many hosts have only recently added what seems minor requests on the outside but no doubt required a huge amount of work on the inside. Being realistic here.

    Of course your own usage of Podium is important but I assume your customers usage is surely of greater importance even if (just guessing here) you might not like the feature.?!?!?

    Sorry to bring this up but so many want it and I don’t understand why you are still adding other features except those with the word “fade” in them 😆

    I am just curious that is all. 😉 I have no expectation of any timescale for any features really, as your choices so far have been spot on. You do not owe us dates, times and weather forecasts 🙂 I guess it is just very unlike you to say so little about such a highly requested feature. 😐

    I am guessing something along the lines of a total meltdown of Podium had kept you from adding it to Podiums feature set. 🙂

    If you need an incentive remember Acousmod might start posting again if you implement clip fades. 😆

    So what’s up with the fades Frits? Gotta ask 😉

    October 12, 2006 at 01:36 #7990
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    I cannot think of any other feature that is wanted more, yet you say so little about it. Is it that you really do not see the importance of it or as I suspect it would require a major rework under the hood of Podium?

    I don’t think it is fair to say I say so little about it. On several topics over the last couple of months I have mentioned that improvement of audio features is going to be the next big step on my plan. I do see its importance, and it doesn’t require a major rework of the engine.

    Most of the features implemented over the last few months, such as the project start page, have been usability enhancements. User feedback on e.g. kvr suggested that it was difficult to get started with Podium, so I considered this equally important as event fades. You yourself have contributed a large number of posts about the urgency of making it easier for new users to get into Podium. It’s hard to please everyone at the same time. I’m trying to please most people with frequent Podium releases. I’m sadened if this gives the impression that I’m ignoring big features like event fades. Sometimes I wonder if it would be a better solution to do like e.g. Jørgen is doing with eXT2; Stop the frequent releases and announce that something “big” is coming up, and then go undercover for a year or so.

    October 12, 2006 at 08:26 #7991
    Podianer
    Participant

    I don’t think it is fair to say I say so little about it.

    +1!!

    Sometimes I wonder if it would be a better solution to do like e.g. Jørgen is doing with eXT2; Stop the frequent releases and announce that something “big” is coming up, and then go undercover for a year or so.

    I can assure you, that at least for me, the fact that there are frequent releases is a major reason why I love Podium! Thus we as users seem to have a direct influence on the development as feature requests are implemented. Please don’t stop to work on Podium this hard and the way you do all the time.

    I think one can get a false impression about how you work. I don’t think you work this way, but maybe others do: For some people it might look the way that you are only working on specific FRs between the releases, but I can imagine, that some FRs take several releases of development in the “background”. Thus as some other features recently made their way into Podium (and I LOVE the template tracks!!!) you have certainly made your mind about future releases! For ME, the implementation of the recent workflow enhancements and usability features for newcomers are WAY MORE important than clip fades!! We all want this community to grow. It is only possible this way!! And I am ok with my current workaround for clipfades, as I automate the levels at the specific points in the timeline.

    And I hope you do not understand my frequent requests as means of distraction 🙂 We users and those who request some features from time to time are only interested in the growth of Podium. How YOU, in the end, react to those requests in terms of schedule or priorities, has always been great!! So take your time! When I take a look at Tracktion and the fact that they are not able to fix the (for me) simplest bugs, I realize that working with Podium including your frequent bugfixes is like DAW heaven!! 8)

    So: Don’t change anything, please!! 🙂

    Max

    October 12, 2006 at 09:02 #7992
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I don’t think it is fair to say I say so little about it. On several topics over the last couple of months I have mentioned that improvement of audio features is going to be the next big step on my plan.

    I think you misunderstood me there….I did not mean you have not mentioned audio features (of course you have) but really you have said hardly anything about clip fades specifically. Gotta make this clear you are of course in no way bound to ‘explain’ to anyone why x number of words have not been said about feature x or y! That would be silly of course! That is not what I mean. 😉

    I think that would be even beyond splitting hairs.

    I guess when you say audio features you mean clip fades are included in that but they just have not got a specific mention for a long time and as I said it’s so unlike you to not implement a highly wanted feature.

    I guess I am just so used to your quick responses and discussions about features over the years. That is basically it I guess. 😆

    I do see its importance, and it doesn’t require a major rework of the engine.

    Clarification that is all I was looking for. 8)

    It is a highly requested feature, you have never said no to it’s implementation, but ‘audio features’ is a very broad term ( this is probably what caused the confusion then).

    I guess if you are saying clip fades are included in that…fine. Yes it’s obviously an audio related feature but I think you know what I mean when I say very little has been said about it specifically over a good deal of time. Hence this thread. 😉

    Most of the features implemented over the last few months, such as the project start page, have been usability enhancements. User feedback on e.g. kvr suggested that it was difficult to get started with Podium, so I considered this equally important as event fades.

    Maybe even much more so than event fades…but we are past that now.

    You yourself have contributed a large number of posts about the urgency of making it easier for new users to get into Podium.

    Time well spent as the results are great. Way easier to navigate Podium now. 8)

    It’s hard to please everyone at the same time.

    Unless you are perfect I would not expect you to do that anyway. 100% certain everyone here agrees with that. 😉

    I’m trying to please most people with frequent Podium releases.

    I think the rise in the number of responses to the last few threads in the Release forum shows that is clearly working. Although even without any response to a release thread that does not mean we are not pleased with that approach. No one has complained about it ever. I see no reason for anyone to complain in future. 😉

    I’m sadened if this gives the impression that I’m ignoring big features like event fades.

    Well sometimes a little bit of clarification goes a loooooooong way. As you cannot be expected to read our minds I just thought I would ask a few questions about it in a relaxed and sensible manner. Which I have done.

    I did not think you were avoiding it for the fun of it, but it’s just unlike you to say so little specifically about a highly anticipated feature. That’s all really. Your level of responsiveness to bugs and features is so high, I was just really puzzled by it’s lack of appearance in Podium yet. 😉

    Nothing to get under the weather about. (it’s quite sunny here today by the way 8) I was just curious about your views on it really. I am glad I asked as it has been clarified now. 🙂

    Sometimes I wonder if it would be a better solution to do like e.g. Jørgen is doing with eXT2; Stop the frequent releases and announce that something “big” is coming up, and then go undercover for a year or so.

    I understand what you mean and of course that is up to you. Podium is in such a good state that frankly if you never released anything for a year or two I would have plenty to keep me busy feature wise in Podium It simply does not have any bugs either which is really quite remarkable 8)

    Possibly the best aspect of Podium for me as it means it is 100% reliable.

    As for using Jorgen as an illustration. Going undercover gives me the following impression 😆

    1.You literally taking the Podium master development console and moving everything under ground.

    2.Changing your name.

    3.Responding to posts with only a yes or no.

    4. Walking around with a long coat, dark glasses and a Fedora hat however hot the weather is, and even when sitting at your desk! 😆

    That would concern the Podium community quite a bit I think…just kidding of course. 8)

    FWIW…Jorgen has not gone undercover he is busy with the next ‘upgrade’ of EXT but he remains very much accessible on the EXT forum (as you do, and have been on this forum). If what I have read is correct, then screen shots and many discussions about EXT2 have already taken place anyway *with Jorgen* that is.

    He has not gone undercover.

    This thread is just in response to your invitation to users to get involved and discuss the future of Podium, that is all. 😉 We all have been doing that here for years now, this thread is no different. Correct me if I am wrong, but I really doubt you have any plans to change that.

    Think clarification here not criticism Frits. They are worlds apart.

    Please dont take a friendly and at times even humorous request here on this thread for some kind possible clarification on a particular feature as a personal criticism of you. Now *that* would be saddening after all this time. 😉

    User interaction…thats all. I don’t see how this thread is different. 😉

    Thanks for your response which does provide clarification. Personally I would have no issue with a user of my product asking questions about it. But asking not ranting, flaming and throwing personal insults all over the place. That would be needless and very silly. Obviously I have not done that here.

    As Podianer said…

    We users and those who request some features from time to time are only interested in the growth of Podium. How YOU, in the end, react to those requests in terms of schedule or priorities, has always been great!! So take your time!

    +1 😉

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