MelodyMan.
MelodyManIf i put an instance of Nebula on the mastertrack, the latency of the plugin doesn’t seem to be compensated for. The edit becomes messy is all i can say. It only happens with Nebula.
Maybe this is Nebula’s fault but in Tracktion this doesn’t happen. Could this be fixed in Podium?
Edit: Just the presence of the plugin on the track causes this. When i disable it, the edit is still messy. When i remove the plug completely everything is back to normal.
swindusFor me the delay compensation with Nebula 3 on any track works without problems. When using Nebula on the master track I got a delay of 381ms or 16812 samples on all tracks and they are in sync.
MelodyManI think it has something to do with the combination with external hardware devices on some of the tracks. I have two busses with two send-reverbs running from my Behringer V-verb. Maybe the delay compensation for external units gets messed up.
I’m only guessing here.
Edit: i think that’s it. I put two plugin reverbs on my busses and now everything is in sync. I has something to do with the external devices. Without Nebula everything is in sync though.
MelodyManThis is a bug imho. So when you use external devices in your mix, you can’t use plugins (not just Nebula, all plugins with latency don’t get compensated for) on the mastertrack, because the delay-compensation doesn’t work.
Is this a known problem?
ZynewaveI just tested on my setup, and delay compensation of external hardware effects are working fine for me. I did not use Nebula3 in my master chain, but the SIR reverb, which adds ~200 ms latency.
Please send me your project file, so I can examine how you have set up your external reverb devices.
Have you verified that your soundcard mixer does not mix in the reverb return into the main mix?
MelodyMan@Zynewave wrote:
I just tested on my setup, and delay compensation of external hardware effects are working fine for me. I did not use Nebula3 in my master chain, but the SIR reverb, which adds ~200 ms latency.
Please send me your project file, so I can examine how you have set up your external reverb devices.
Have you verified that your soundcard mixer does not mix in the reverb return into the main mix?
I’ll send you the project file now.
ZynewaveHow are your external devices connected to your soundcard? I’m asking because your “V-verb analog” mapping is configured to output on channel 1+2, which is the same channels that your master “Multichannel 1 PHASE X24 FW+2 PHASE X24 FW” is mapped to. That is why you are hearing the output to the V-verb mixed into your main mix output.
MelodyMan@Zynewave wrote:
How are your external devices connected to your soundcard? I’m asking because your “V-verb analog” mapping is configured to output on channel 1+2, which is the same channels that your master “Multichannel 1 PHASE X24 FW+2 PHASE X24 FW” is mapped to. That is why you are hearing the output to the V-verb mixed into your main mix output.
Oh, man thanks! That is one hell of a setup-blunder on my part. Gonna change it when i get home from work and will report back! Thanks again!
MelodyManNo, still the same problem. Note that the syncing only messes up when plugins are on the mastertrack. If i remove the plugins on the master everything works fine.
I have routed output 1 and 2 of my interface to the analog inputs on the V-verb and the analog-outs of the V-verb are connected to analog input 1 and 2. The optical out on my interface is connected to the optical in on the V-verb and the optical out of the V-verb is connected to the optical in on my interface (a Terratec Phase x24 Firewire). The Terratec is clocked externally to the V-verb and the output chosen on the mastertrack is now 3 and 4, which are the outputs my monitors are connected to.
Edit: I have discovered this does only happen with certain plugins.
Messy: Nebula, Voxengo Polysquasher, Wavearts Trackplug 5
Everything ok: Voxengo’s Marquis, delamancha’s bathtub, Voxengo’s Soniformer2.
Strange…
Zynewave@MelodyMan wrote:
No, still the same problem. Note that the syncing only messes up when plugins are on the mastertrack. If i remove the plugins on the master everything works fine.
If you try to set the ASIO buffer size to the max available for your driver (larger than 100 ms), my guess is you will still notice the sync problem even without plugins on the master. It can be difficult to hear with a reverb effect. I still suspect you have some sort of feedback issue.
I have routed output 1 and 2 of my interface to the analog inputs on the V-verb and the analog-outs of the V-verb are connected to analog input 1 and 2. The optical out on my interface is connected to the optical in on the V-verb and the optical out of the V-verb is connected to the optical in on my interface (a Terratec Phase x24 Firewire). The Terratec is clocked externally to the V-verb and the output chosen on the mastertrack is now 3 and 4, which are the outputs my monitors are connected to.
Sounds ok. If you send me the project file again I’ll check that the setup is ok. If your soundcard comes with a mixer control panel, please check that it is not set to mix the analog output on 1+2 into the 3+4 output that you use for monitoring. That is the case with e.g. my RME interface, where by default all outputs are being submixed into the phones output.
Edit: I have discovered this does only happen with certain plugins.
Messy: Nebula, Voxengo Polysquasher, Wavearts Trackplug 5
Everything ok: Voxengo’s Marquis, delamancha’s bathtub, Voxengo’s Soniformer2.
I’m guessing all the “messy” plugins have a long latency. You can check the latency with the “Latency” control in the mixer.
MelodyMan(Ofcourse) you were right. It turns out i had configured my Terratec wrongly all along. After some trial and error i have now found the right routing and mixersettings .
Thanks a bunch!