Topic: double clicking in piano roll still peculiar

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  • February 12, 2009 at 12:01 #1819
    PV_INC
    Participant

    Hi, excited about the new beta, and have been playing with the demo….

    However, there is some behavior that just seems really weird to me….

    I double click on the right half of a cell and the note will appear in the cell NEXT to the one I double clicked in. The mouse cursor isn’t shown with screenshots so I had to draw on a red dot where I had the mouse cursor.

    Obviously what I am suggesting is that whatever cell is double clicked inside of, that is where the note should go.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    February 12, 2009 at 16:21 #14320
    pj geerlings
    Participant

    I’ve seen the same behavior as well

    February 12, 2009 at 18:21 #14324
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    The current behaviour snaps to the grid line closest to the clicked point. What you would prefer is that it should always snap to the grid line to the left of the clicked point. In other words, I’m trying to click grid lines, while you’re trying to click the space between grid lines. I guess there are pros and cons for both these behaviours.

    The snap position is shown in the toolbar mouse cursor display field. If you turn of snapping, then you’ll see the mouse position displayed as -50% to +50% around the closest grid line. If it should work like you preferred, then this display should show the grid position left of the mouse cursor and show percentages from 0% to 100% instead.

    I would like to hear other users opinion on this. If the majority of users think the snapping to grid line instead of snapping to grid space is weird, then I don’t mind changing the snap behaviour.

    February 12, 2009 at 18:49 #14325
    aMUSEd
    Participant

    I don’t even see any down grid lines – how do you activate them?

    February 12, 2009 at 18:55 #14326
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @aMUSEd wrote:

    I don’t even see any down grid lines – how do you activate them?

    What do you mean with “down grid lines”?

    If you enable “snap” then the quantize grid will be drawn instead of the arrangement time-signature grid.

    February 12, 2009 at 18:59 #14327
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I would like to hear other users opinion on this. If the majority of users think the snapping to grid line instead of snapping to grid space is weird, then I don’t mind changing the snap behaviour.

    Tons of another host snap to grid line. Some years ago I always asked myself why this behavior, then I get comfortable left clicking in the first half of the note.

    I don’t mind at all that you do that Podium snap to grid space, I like it even

    February 12, 2009 at 19:04 #14328
    aMUSEd
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @aMUSEd wrote:

    I don’t even see any down grid lines – how do you activate them?

    What do you mean with “down grid lines”?

    If you enable “snap” then the quantize grid will be drawn instead of the arrangement time-signature grid.

    Sorry I meant vertical – I can only see horizontal lines regardless of turning snap on/off

    February 12, 2009 at 19:12 #14329
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @LiquidProj3ct wrote:

    I don’t mind at all that you do that Podium snap to grid space, I like it even

    Are you saying you would prefer that I changed the current behaviour to snap to grid space instead of grid line?

    February 12, 2009 at 19:17 #14330
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @aMUSEd wrote:

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @aMUSEd wrote:

    I don’t even see any down grid lines – how do you activate them?

    What do you mean with “down grid lines”?

    If you enable “snap” then the quantize grid will be drawn instead of the arrangement time-signature grid.

    Sorry I meant vertical – I can only see horizontal lines regardless of turning snap on/off

    Check your zoom range. Either that or you are looking at an empty editor window that isn’t showing a sequence.

    February 12, 2009 at 20:07 #14331
    H-man
    Participant

    Frits, I have no issues with aiming for the snap line (vertical 😉 ).

    When I’m entering a note, any note, my first thought would be where it starts, followed by what duration it should extend for.

    Put it this way, with snapping off, one wouldn’t click to add a note in an area away from wher thry actually want the note to start.

    IMO Gridlines are better and the current behaviour just helps one hit’em.

    February 12, 2009 at 21:12 #14333
    aMUSEd
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @aMUSEd wrote:

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @aMUSEd wrote:

    I don’t even see any down grid lines – how do you activate them?

    What do you mean with “down grid lines”?

    If you enable “snap” then the quantize grid will be drawn instead of the arrangement time-signature grid.

    Sorry I meant vertical – I can only see horizontal lines regardless of turning snap on/off

    Check your zoom range. Either that or you are looking at an empty editor window that isn’t showing a sequence.

    No it’s not that but I’ve realised now there is no grid because the arrangement was set to linear timecode (I always tend to set it to that as I don’t usually use piano roll but record what I’m playing freely – however I hadn’t realised it would actually totally disable any sort of grid)

    February 12, 2009 at 21:13 #14334
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @LiquidProj3ct wrote:

    I don’t mind at all that you do that Podium snap to grid space, I like it even

    Are you saying you would prefer that I changed the current behaviour to snap to grid space instead of grid line?

    I’m saying that I’m neutral, I like both systems.

    edit: it could be implemented as an option

    February 14, 2009 at 12:05 #14351
    Pigini
    Participant

    I think the snap is absolutely in order as it is. It behaves just as a time snap feature should work (50% around the wanted timing, or probably rather 49% and 51%).
    It would feel completely weird to me, if I clicked close to my wanted point in time and the note got dragged to the left.
    IMHO the aiming for the spaces in some hosts just alienates the conception of what the grid actually stands for.

    February 15, 2009 at 10:24 #14355
    PV_INC
    Participant

    Well, its weird to me.

    Cubase, Sonar, Live, Fruity Loops, EnergyXT, REAPER, and Protools all put notes in the same way. Its Podium that puts the notes in funny.

    Before you say “well, whats wrong with being different”

    The reason why the others do it that way is because its the simplest implementation. You see a rectangle, you double click or draw inside of it, the note is placed inside of it. Simple — What-you-see-is-what-you-get.

    February 15, 2009 at 11:05 #14356
    H-man
    Participant

    @PV_INC wrote:

    Well, its weird to me.

    Cubase, Sonar, Live, Fruity Loops, EnergyXT, REAPER, and Protools all put notes in the same way. Its Podium that puts the notes in funny.

    Before you say “well, whats wrong with being different”

    The reason why the others do it that way is because its the simplest implementation. You see a rectangle, you double click or draw inside of it, the note is placed inside of it. Simple — What-you-see-is-what-you-get.

    Hey not to worry 😉 Could be included as an option if there were enough requests for it.

    There are quite a few of these ‘options’ in Podium born from differing opinions.

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