The Telenator.
MLSI know … it’s a topic to be fooling around, but I was too curious not to ask this question. In 1500 users, there is not a woman?
Women, come forward! 😆
adimatisI suppose you’re not interested in the “inner woman” that all men have…
🙂
MLS:clown: …why not dear… :clown:
I was interested to know if there is any woman who “engages” with the computer music.
ZynewaveBased on the share-it order details, I know there are a few female customers, but I don’t know whether they are just purchasing it on behalf of someone else.
MLSWhat a pity! I was hoping that there was some geeky! 😆
The TelenatorThere is always the possibility that certain females might buy Podium as a gift for someone, but I’m more inclined to say they are buying for themselves.
Very recently, there has appeared perhaps as many as half a dozen gals over at Reaper forums. As I scan other forums now and then, I’ve run into others, too. I notice they all seem rather well-informed and having a serious ‘go’ at it. I got to talking with one in a thread very recently and it was quite interesting.
This reminds me just a little of when all the gals came to electric guitar during the ’90s. Of many who are now fine, established players, perhaps most remarkable is Orianthi. She’s a dangerous musician; it would take everything I’ve got to go toe-to-toe playing across from her. Look up one of her videos sometime — her technique and phrasing is most excellent for fusion and classic rock. There are a handful of ‘blues gals’ as well now. I’ve met many and most are trying to tour as much as possible to build up steady followings.
The EU has welcomed all of them with open arms! About half of these are a little older, closer to middle age currently and very savvy. Carmen Getit (watch this one!), Leslie Ann Maxwell, Summer Fragomeni-Hay, Cari Caruso, Phoenix Burns-Espinel (bassist), Christyna Bible, Stella Blue, Irish Bernadette, Paula Kimper (keys, famous opera composer), Laurie Morvan (watch her too!), Sharon Benson (elec. violin, vocals), Shauna Marshall (top vocalist), Holle Thee Maxwell (vocals, R&B, blues), BluesMamma Yeshe, Dawn O’Keefe Williams, Leslye Layne Russell, Andrea Jones, Gwenyth Hayes, Addie Lee (another rising star), Marlina Teich, Dani Wilde (tops!, hot gold album), Kellie Rucker, Shari Puorto, Debbie Bond, Crystal Vernon Gambino, Amanda Smith-Skinner (bassist), Deanna Bogart (sax, vocals, etc., went platinum last year), Catherine Denise (gold album I think, rising star) — Okay, I’m bragging here, but these are just some of the working, recording, full-time pro musician women from my Fb Friends List.
These gals? Most all have DAWs and at least record demo stuff at home, on the bus, on the road, no joke. Oh, Tasha Taylor, Jill Sharpe, Tara London (scary good performer), Kat Newton, SharBaby Newport (hot blues guitar), Liza Williams, etc. These ladies could mop the floor with most of the chaps who hang around those DAW and KVR forums.
Back to DAWs, you have to assume ALL of these ladies are recording at least some at home with a good DAW. I believe we need their input critically, because, as you look around, there are an awful lot of blokes and posers putting out consistent rubbish of these lame, boring samples, mediocre loop stuff and the like. On guitar, the ones I’ve mentioned sent a blast of a wakeup call to many of us over-contented lazy toadies. I fully expect many breaths of fresh air from the ladies recording original works with software just such as Podium. I would guess that the visual aesthetics of Podium might be a strong first attraction to this DAW from the female species, wouldn’t you perhaps agree?
Cheers, and keep an eye on the horizons!
–Tele
druidIs this topic really important, even for a mere curiosity? It feels much like on computer games forums many years ago when guys would ask the same, and it just has this weird, creepy feeling to it. Of course, I’m curious too, purely from the hope that there’s some evenness to it, but there’s just something .. maybe politically incorrect? … about it. If I were a female, I wouldn’t be responding to the thread. From what I’ve seen, usually the only females to respond to such requests are either attention seekers or are strongly idealistic and think they might be proving something about themselves or the state of women in (whatever it is, games, music, etc).
Sorry, I guess what I’m saying is pretty down about something that is *probably* just a mere curiosity to you. You could just as easily ask, however, are there any government officials on these forums? Are there any solar power engineers? Are there any gamers on these forums? (I’m one!)
But what is much more common on the internet? “Are there any girls here?” or similar. To me, this sort of thing seems even more off-topic than for general on a music software website, and typically appears to occur when the forum is (likely) largely composed of males.
To interact a little more with the topic, I would imagine plenty of females produce music, as they also play computer games. They may not deem the forums worth their time, however, and who knows about specifically Podium users. I could ponder on how many females use Tracktion, too, or Renoise…
Of course, I am not a moderator, nor do I claim any inherent right to say what people should and shouldn’t do..! (And I only say this because I fear what I say will be over-reacted too .. I’m proactively self-defensive based on what often occurs on the internet… T_T) I just wanted to share my opinion that it’s not really an appropriate question given the nature of the website, and I guess based on the internet’s history, in my humble opinion.
The TelenatorPerhaps the initial asking of the question may sound somewhere between coy and predatory. I don’t know. But as proof of its importance — long-term importance, I must insist — is that right now it is mainly a handful of women, many on my list above, who are completely revitalising The Blues, much like SRV, Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Gary Moore, and then-little 15-yr-old Johnny Lang did during the ’80s.
Although I’m not certain that women will save the art of home digital recording from its runaway addiction to over-use of other people’s samples, the addiction to endless looping and other self-obsessed forms of belly button gazing that seems to have a choke hold on DAW usage, I think their increasing contributions and input is direly needed.
Right now, I know of a few chaps who are stellar quality musicians and composers whom I dare not name, who are so fed up with the current state of things that they are ready to puke. One last letter I received said, ‘This one makes me recall a recent discussion with some other colleagues about the state of things around music and the web, and I told them that I was constantly re-evaluating what my motivations are for being/staying involved in music – at least in a visible way – these days.’
And, ‘At one time I was wondering what was the reason for adding to the noise and profusion’ . . .
And, ‘A question I like to ponder sometimes, is if the whole model we’ve been
> given to operate within since I was a young musician, is not entirely
> contrived and unsustainable, and here I mean the sleazy big-money,
> big-corporate music world that musicians have long felt compelled to aspire
> to’.
The one chap I’m quoting from here is a rather well-known composer, musicologist and synth and instrument designer. He is widely known and respected — and these words are not unique to him alone; there has been an ongoing discussion along these lines among several much more noteworthy than myself, people you simply wouldn’t believe are about ready to ‘chuck it’, call it quits because of the current state of popular music.
Clearly, female input alone cannot save us all from ourselves. Perhaps they will end up producing music that is even more self-indulgent, insipid and tautological. After all, as women have come into the halls of power in business and government, we note that their behavior is sometimes even more ruthless and manipulative than that of men. It turns out that placing women in positions of power was no saving cure as was promised for our troubled world after all.
At this point, however, I think some of us would welcome a fresh perspective even if it had to come from Martians or space aliens. Make no mistake, this is a dodgy, barmy mess that music AND the industry is in these days. Finally, even if none of this persuades, consider that your protest is of a ‘general chat’ topic that resides in our General Chat forum!
Cheers!
adimatisAfter such elaborate reply (Tele, you really enjoy writing don’t ya?! :)) I can only say that the OP really said it from the start this was a topic “to be fooling around”! Don’t anyone get too serious about it… It was meant to be distracting, not disrupting.
The Telenatoradimatis wrote:
‘Tele, you really enjoy writing don’t ya?!’
It depends I think. It depends on whether there is anything worth writing about. As regards any new discipline, the boys rush in, nowadays always followed closely behind by the girls. What always begins as the novel participation of women and the ‘talk of the town’ — a tip of the hat, btw, to an earlier woman rocker and recording artist, Chrissie Hynde — soon becomes business as usual. The point throughout I’ve been making is that women, grabbing an electric guitar and playing more like what is common of male guitarists, have made a major impact on music worldwide, and there is no going back. I eagerly anticipate somewhat the same as we experience more and more women picking up the tools of what has been very much one big and rather exclusive boys’ club for more than 10 years and showing us a thing or two about this art.
Aside from the constant and astonishing advances in DSP, this is one of the only other bright spots to my thinking within the larger music industry which continues to collapse under its own weight. I think a fresh perspective is badly needed, too, as so much of what I’m hearing from home studios seems awfully stale and overly self-serving lately.
To better answer your first question, though, I chose professional writing and editing to complement my pursuit of music back when I was first starting out, to fill the gaps between those first few and scattered gigs. It has served very well, whether in the capacity of university professor, reviewer, guide and manual editing for various plugins, and my very last steady position until a little over 2 years ago as Editor of the monthly music magazine The Beat. Now, however, I get to ‘play’ retired and write more for my own satisfaction and self-improvement and, with hope, entertain and inform others as well! Cheers!
adimatisI am sure you know I appreciate you and I am just teasing a little bit. Your posts are always useful and I enjoy reading them! All the best! 😉
MLS@druid wrote:
Is this really important topic, even for a mere curiosity? It feels much like computer games on forums many years ago When guys would ask the same, and it just has this weird, creepy feeling to it.
For me, yes, because until now I have only ever discussed with men. Women have a vision of things (and the world) completely different from men (better, but that’s just my opinion), they have a greater sensitivity: all that they do (or almost), they do it better than men.
That’s why I’d like to discuss with them in this forum, to have a different point of view. Maybe you have the opportunity to discuss electronic music (because of this we are talking about) with the women you know. If I speak of DAWs with women that I know, they fall asleep!
I admit that the question may sound sexist, but it was definitely not my intention. If I want to know how many women are there in this forum what to ask:
“How many non-men are there in the forum?” … I don’t think.
@druid wrote:
politically incorrect? … If I were a female, I would not be responding to the thread. From what I’ve seen, usually the only females to Respond to requests longer available are either attention seekers or are strongly idealistic and think they might be proving something about Themselves or the state of women in (whatever it is, games, music, etc.) .
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You could just as easily ask, However, are there any government Officials on these forums? Are there any solar power engineers? Are there any gamers on these forums? (I’m one!)
As a man, are you offended by what I wrote above?
If a woman is surprised by a man who works crochet, is it completely normal?
If a man is surprised about a woman who is a mechanic, is it discrimination?
The reason is historical: for too long, women are subjugated by men, so it is normal they raise the barricades …
I will not bore you with the story of my life, but anyone who knows me, knows that I’m not sexist, definitely …
Ah, I’m a civil engineer … 😉
@druid wrote:
… the forum is (Likely) Largely composed of males.
This is the reason for the question!
One last thing: you have been a bit “risky” in your objection. If I were a woman and I wanted to do a trick question? 😕
Greetings to all, it was a pleasure!
PulseI really didn’t want to participate in this topic, for it was obvious from the get-go where it will lead, and worship of the “divine feminine” was to be expected. Yet some utterly empty and discriminative against men claims were made, so to balance things out decided to participate after all.
@MLS wrote:
Women have a vision of things (and the world) completely different from men (better, but that’s just my opinion), they have a greater sensitivity: all that they do (or almost), they do it better than men.
You just totally disregarded and belittled the hundreds of thousands (or even more) men who imagined, envisioned, dreamed, discovered and explored (in many cases with risks a few would take), faced difficulties, isolation and solitude in their endeavors, engineered, composed and created almost everything the western world takes for granted today.
@MLS wrote:
I admit that the question may sound sexist
It doesn’t.
@MLS wrote:
As a man, are you offended by what I wrote above?
No. Just saddened. Oh, I forgot, we’re incapable of that.
@MLS wrote:
If a woman is surprised by a man who works crochet, is it completely normal?
If a man is surprised about a woman who is a mechanic, is it discrimination?
No, It’s an objective social observation unless the relevant to your country statistics say otherwise.
@MLS wrote:
The reason is historical: for too long, women are subjugated by men, so it is normal they raise the barricades …
You forgot to mention the “Evil Patriarchy” mate.
If we are talking about the Western world, then this is clearly not the case anymore. I have never in my academic, or day-to-day life seen a barbed wire barricade and conspiring evil men with their sinister machinations and manipulations, stopping women from attending the science lectures, studying or generally exploring their own imaginative landscapes and dedicating themselves to the idealistic pursuit of creating things that are genuinely novel and original and share them with the rest of their fellow humanity.
You know, you’re an engineer after all, it all starts with a vision, a pen and a paper. In the context of Post-modernity – a computer. No one can stop you from using them even if they wanted to in this day and age.
In my five years of economics studies, and six of English philology and literature, it was us (the boys) who faced great difficulties. So much so, that it was almost an ever-present topic in our conversations, and caused great disillusionment. The performance of the girls was generally lower than ours, yet their marks were higher, and we had to bend backwards and be stellar and innovative just to be marked B or B+
Ironically, it was the female teachers, professors and assistant professors who were objective and fair to us. (They could afford that, their men counterparts could after all be accused of discrimination had they acted objectively, so apparently equality transformed into privilege at some point)
What I am trying to say is this: Everything is a personal choice. I’ve been in economics and philology/linguistics – the male students in these areas were let’s say 20-30%, and I am now preparing for, studying and attending lectures in advance in Electronic Engineering. Guess how many females are there? 20-30% max. And if you deem this discriminative and oppressive, then what about men in the humanities and art/literature studies? Then for the sake of consistency it is perfectly logical to conclude that we – men – are oppressed and discriminated against in these fields. This, of course is ludicrous, and serves no other purpose but to entertain our hypothesizing abilities and submerge in a nonexistent plain of ever expanding abstract cause-and-effect-continuity.
In conclusion:
Assumptions are nothing but waste of reason, so none were made in my statement here. Yet plenty were made above. Consequently, it is not in favour of either side.
Personally I would very much like to see more women in the sciences, gaming, computer-music and engineering, not because of the assumption that they will bring a spark of their divinity and ethereal abilities to the field, but because this will mean that more human beings are growing to the understanding and appreciation of the scientific method and thus technology and its endless potential. Ideally, this interest would lead to involvement and innovations in the respective fields, and greater possibilities for a brighter future. (Call me a technocrat – I admit, I am)And all by virtue of the number of people involved, nothing more, nothing less.
All the best
adimatisWell, one thing is for sure: this topic really IS for fooling around! 8-[ 🙂
The TelenatorMLS wrote:
‘If I speak of DAWs with women that I know, they fall asleep!’
MLS, you have no idea how easy you get off with the women only falling asleep. I had one, two girlfriends ago who would deliberately roll her eyes at me several times like I was certifiably insane or deranged or something of the sort . . . any time I dared start in with anything to do with all of this, even the briefest mention of ‘digital music’ or ‘software’. Then, right after, she would sometimes begin the ‘silent treatment’ for an hour or so. In time, I could tell that she truly had developed a grudge and perhaps also a jealousy against my DAW and time spent there, and I quickly became careful never to talk of Podium or my softsynths in any kind of endearing manner.
I became paranoid that she might go as far as pouring a glass of ale over a PC keyboard perhaps. Yes, she was a mean one! To this day I wonder whether she somehow managed to inject water into the chassis of my Fender Twin amp, as my amp tech informed me one day, upon repairing a bad solder joint in there that ‘it is very, very corroded in there’, yet that amp has rarely been out of the studio or out of doors. Luckily, I bored her nearly to death, and she flew away one fine autumn day!
MLS also wrote:
‘Women have a vision of things . . . they have a greater sensitivity: all that they do (or almost), they do it better than men.’
You won’t believe this next, but I will summon the courage to relate this. One of the women in my Friends List from up above, Paula, the operatic composer, I have known since age 4. We were sort of childhood sweethearts and she was the only person I invited to my birthday party at age 5. You see, I was so fond of her as a little boy because she was a complete ‘Tommy Boy’ or ‘Tom Boy’, as boyish, rough and tumble girls were called. She was the only girl who would play Cowboys and Indians with me and climb in trees.
Here is the point of my telling this: MLS, you think all women are angels, aye? In grade level 6, Paula got into an argument during recess with the opposing softball team captain, my best mate, Matthew, a good 20 cm taller than me and more muscular. With no teacher nearby to calm the situation, they got into a real fight and Paula beat him up, nearly broke his nose, and set him running to the nurse screaming and crying. Matty learned you never told Paula what to do. Today she is a graduate of Julliard College of Music, an acclaimed pianist and composer, living in the heart of Manhattan in New York City. (Kindly don’t publish this story elsewhere, but I had to tell it!)
They are ‘Sugar and Spice and everything Nice’! Cheers!