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alexSounds great at first, but if you read the last post on the page…. Haven’t downloaded it (and honestly don’t need it – using SF). Anyway, one of the best wave editors (and more – it’s actually a DAW, but MIDI really sucks) I’ve ever tried. So, see for yourselves.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=370008&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Great Time Stretching, adimatis!!!!! 😀 😉
Cheers, Alex
edited to add:
here, they say it’s o.k. 😕 :-k
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=370008&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
alexI actually don’t get this. I mean, it’s like – either Adobe screwed up something badly or they did this on purpose but they have to justify themselves to licensed users by saying it’s not legit to download the software if one’s not a licensed user. How come everybody can access this?
The TelenatorGo to KVR forums if you want to follow the whole sickening story.
In a nutshell, either Adobe outright lied and/or this is some weird publicity stunt (not unknown for arrogant Adobe Corp. to be dishonest and apt to mislead on purpose), or some underling screwed up massively (also possible), or some superior changed his mind during the lunch hour (cf. back to the arrogant, dishonest bit).
It is what it is . . . which in this case, it AIN’T.
[Edit: Oh, uh, did I mention? These are the same people who have been promising to release a 64-bit version of FLASH player for almost 20 years now, but haven’t. Thus any 64-bit browsers are seriously crippled and not worth using.]
alexYes, that’s where I found out about it. But this is even more crazy – have you checked the link in my 2nd post? Directly to the download page, everything’s there together with serials and even no registration required ❓ ❗
The TelenatorLooking at it now.
A.) Does it/did it work for you?
B.) I’d be interested in a good WAV editor (aren’t we all!?), one of their legacy products right there is such or contains such . . .
Do you know which one it is? Model names/numbers escape me — it’s been so long!
Thanks!!!
Tele
The TelenatorAh, figured it out. Didn’t want to download wrong or needless items.
alexI look at it this way now: whatever anybody says, Adobe made it possible for everybody to download and use those products (and everybody does it, as I see on the other forums). Personally, I don’t feel sorry for them – I was really pissed because the good old CEP was freeware for some time, and they made it again not to be as they bought it (it was the first app I worked with) – the first version of AA was nothing but CEP 2.1, and later when they made some improvements there was no upgrade path for licensed CEP users. It was the reason for me to choose SF, later, even though it was much easier for me to work with AA. Back to the point. Except for they spoiled the great, clear CEP’s UI, they definitely kept some great stuff from CEP (noise reduction plugins and much more). They improved mixer and it’s easy to use and has simple but nice routing (CEP had problems with grouping – 26 buses, but not groups of groups). The deal breaker might be the lack of sidechaining (external), but CEP (AA) was not made to be a real DAW (and believe it or not, a lot of people use it also for mixing even though it’s seriously limited for that task comparing to other DAWs). I wouldn’t use it for that task, though. Multitrack view in CEP was actually reaction to that function in other, serious DAWs (but it’s really easy to use and great for tracking and arranging). Midi really sucks and I won’t discuss that, but rewire works. All in all I like to think of AA primarily as of the powerful audio (and video – not my thing) editor, and that’s what its greatest strenght is. They have in AA3 a really good iZotope multiband comp. There’s a known bug with mastering rack, it freezes at some point, I forgot how it exactly was, but there’s a fix (workaround), and evb. can google it. There’s also (talking to you adimatis) some kind of iZotope time stretching (it works great, and even the native CEP ts was great) + 4,2 gigs of various 32 bit loops (loopology, must be separately downloaded, and it’s also there). So, this app is maybe the best choice for the people who also do video and is really widely used by professionals for audio editing.
Enjoy!
P.S. AA3 won’t except any of your mono or mono to stereo vst plugins. That’s not a bug – it’s all the way stereo under the hood (pan law works, of coarse).
P.P.S. Tele, it works here on XP and Windows 7 x64
edited to add:
and REAPER and AA are a perfect match 😉
adimatisYeah, what a weird situation with these downloads from Adobe…
I downloaded alot of what it was there. But it seems that I am not authorized to use. Adobe offered volunteerly the software, the link,the serials, the broadband, everything. For a second, I thought they embraced the Cockos or Zynewave marketing strategy! 😀
Whatever – I downloaded Audition and it was like opening an old photo album. I used to use CEP 2 (just like you, was my first piece of software to use, I actually use the multitrack for many recordings I did back in those days) and I thought now Audition will be a great tool. But…
I remember very well how much I loved CEP, but now it seems outdated and too different from today’s DAWs. I did try their TS, thanks Alex, and maybe that would be the only point in getting to use it again, for the audio parts. But beside that, it just didn’t feel very interested in it. Especially after I found out Adobe did not actually offered for free (eventhough they did) I am not so interested anymore… weird feeling.
Anyway, it’s an interesting situation and I will follow it too see what it gets to. If I can keep use them, I might do. If not I already have authorised software for music production, photo editing, video editing, desktop publishing and web. Pretty much all of it.
alexI realized I was talking about some less important AA’s features in my little off the top of my head “review” (and some problems I could remember about). So, here’s a nice (real) review:
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/tech/computers-software/audio-editors/audition-3-151070
Cheers, Alex
The TelenatorIt took me a couple of days to think this one over. I didn’t want another 4 gigs of loops, as I have more than I’ll ever use in that dept. and samples already. I suppose I could have simply deleted the Loopology bits after. I do like some of the WAV editor features of Audition, no question, and don’t care if its MIDI handling sucks. I like Podium’s MIDI editor just fine and REAPER’s is almost as good.
I just decided I’m good enough with Audacity and Wavosaur for my external editor needs. Sort of sentimentally attached to them, too, since it was where I started.
I’ve got plenty of space to add more software, but lately I’ve stopped adding. Even with plugins, I’m at a point where I’ve groomed my assortment, and taking on anything new automatically makes me scan for one I might delete. I’ve released that this software ‘heaven’ we are currently experiencing can become too much of a distraction and, at the very least, eats up too much of my time. I’m holding one future exception. That will most likely be for Melodyne, as for editors I see that as the direction we’ll all be heading before long anyway.
I said elsewhere that I’m actually glad Native Instruments has issues with Podium. The news has 3 or 4 new add-on instruments to their interface released almost daily now, and since my NI stuff was a free bundle I don’t worry that I’m missing out by not checking each new offering. I can gladly do without having to audition a few new instruments every time I check the latest news.
Whatever their reasons and motives were at Adobe, I agree it is nice they are offering all their legacy software. It might have served me better a couple of years ago, but I’m beyond all that now. I used to use InDesign when I was still in publishing, very effective stuff, but I’m retired from print media now — and glad of it!
Enjoy your Adobe ‘freeware’ (haha) and I hope it serves you well!
Cheers!
alexWell. Almost the same here. Although I really enjoyed remembering CEP days, AA3 remained unused from the day I installed it. And it would feel strange to use it knowing it ain’t really freeware.
Cheers, Alex
P.S. And you’re really right about installing new stuff. I’m only going to have REAPER and SF on my pc and of coarse I’m gonna keep Podium free and install the new version of Wavosaur on my old PC that runs XP (it will be all freeware studio with only free plugs, samples… and my online machine).
The TelenatorYes, you mentioned that. It is a little spooky.
alex@The Telenator wrote:
Whatever their reasons and motives were at Adobe, I agree it is nice they are offering all their legacy software.
:-k
@alex wrote:
I was really pissed because the good old CEP was freeware for some time, and they made it again not to be as they bought it (it was the first app I worked with) – the first version of AA was nothing but CEP 2.1, and later when they made some improvements there was no upgrade path for licensed CEP users.
Not literary, but it seems that history repeats itself – now they’re offering an outdated version of software as freeware (saying it’s not freeware at the same time) hoping that people will get used to use it and then feel the need to get the newest version. hehe 😈
alexUpdate:
(not posting to back up what I said I thought about Adobe’s motives to offer their software for free)
A lot of people were worried because one of Adobe representatives posted on their forums that using the software was illegal for the people who were not licensed users. No worries – the whole thread has been deleted. 
edited to add:
No one is now saying it is legal, though (and probably no one ever will, but everything is much clearer now, imo).