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lunikHi –
I’ve been using the demo for a few hours over the past few days. Heres some feedback: talk with a bit of salt, I’m no expert in the app and may not know certain things!:
I currently use Vegas 4 and Fruity Loops, but would ideally like a combined midi/audio host that supports both well. Vegas still doesn;t support midi and given its high price and video focus, Podium looks very promising being totally audio focused and cheap.
This app has a steep learning curve which I think will deter newbies. It reminds me a bit of Macromedia Flash with its nested object model. Powerful in the end, but you really have to ‘grok’ it.
Certainly sorts the men from the boys so to speak. But then, as its a ‘host only’, I would expect users to be quite advanced and already have their own collections of EQs and other plugins ready to use.
Podium is clearly ‘designed by a programmer’ 🙂 Thats not a big critisism, but its tough on noobs.
As well as complete help file, a good FAQ full of all the dumb questions asked in the forum would help as well.
Compare with albleton live which has more viseral flair, but its actually quite limited for anything outside of, well, playing stuff live (ie midi editing sucks, and honing tunes offline just doesn;t feel right – doesn;t have the surgical feel I like in DAW). Its also expensive.
One man shops that actually listen to their users are great I think.
Took me a while to figure out how to get a wav file into the arrangement!
(perhaps the browser should be open by default?)
I still havn;t attempting mixing down to wav… there is no “file>export” command, but I’m sure its very easy….once I figure it out….
Still, the app is clearly designed with people actually who actually need a high end DAW in mind (not garageband or acid “see how easy it is to make music”). I can see that setting up everything in a project one time only saves a lot of time over all.
I could probably have every track on an album as a different arrangement? Very nice.
Vegas has some very nice usability touches which make arranging audio clips a joy such as:
– autocrossfades when you slide one clip over the other
– you can grab the top right or left corner of a clip and give it an attack release envelope very quickly, right click to change spline type (smooth, slow, fast etc)
– ripple edits
Premier has some nice tools that allow you to select all clips beyond or behind the clip you select (ripple selecting so to speak). Thus creating or closing ‘holes’ an arrangement does not require you to be zoomed out to see the whole arrangement.
Support for these kind of things in podium would be good (if it doesn;t always exist). I fiddled with spling envelopes for a bit… the power is there but it did seem a bit fiddly (live still doesn;t have spline envelopes!).
Midi editing seems rather nice.
FL has a very effective piano roll, partially because nearly everything can be done with one tool and modifier keys.
Podium I was glad to find does have good support for getting extra functions out of the select or pen tools with CTRL etc. — I was at first rather worried abou the 4 ‘modes’ of drawing on the time bar (cursor, loop, punch in, segment) until I found holding CTRL you can move any of the flavours of region. Great.
And in fact having 3 distinct regions improves usability – in vegas, its easy to remove looppoints you have set up acidently with some other activity which is annoying
Apps which force you to select different tools are really annoying. Good to get the genreal idea of what you can do for beginners, but the more you can do with one tool mode the better.
Its been mentioned before – FLoops pianoroll allows delete note on right click. Very fast. Perhaps a Modifier key Delete on left click with pencil tool could fulfill this need?
Another FL has which I don;t know if Podium is ghost notes, where other midi notes in other clips at the same region in time appear in the clip you are currently editing, in a ‘faded out’ fashion. This is REALLY helpful when creating harmonies etc on one instrument, based on what you programmed in another.
Is it possible to clone a clip in such a way that changes in the parent cascade into the children?
The ‘nearly all in one screen’ arrangement of the app is v nice. In FL I end up with windows everywhere and its a pain. Took me a while to figure out how to make the native plugin interface pop up though (yes, its just a little button).
Time sig/tempo markers… wonderful. A big thumbs us for users that doesn;t just do 4/4 tunes.
The GUI seems a bit sluggish. I was testing out on a 1gig machine with old shared memory graphics card….nonetheless FL is fast at drawing the GUI.
For instance, stretching out the browser and letting go, noticeable lag to redraw it.
Even on my newer machine I don;t have fancy graphics card, its a DAW not a gaming machine.
I will be getting Halion Player soon to use with NS Kit. I’ll try it in podium. If I can get a project set up and working well and I may take the plunge and buy it.
I havn;t investingated bus support yet… this is important for mixing.
I can work very fast in FL but audio support is limited and a bit confusing. Not sure if I’ll be able to get to quite the same speed of work as in FL, but time saved setting up projects and bouncing mixdowns into vegas may counterbalance it.
Unfortunatelt FL does not export midi as far as I can tell.
all the best
Lunik
ZynewaveHi Lunik,
Thanks for your feedback. It’s always nice to hear first impressions, both the good and the bad.
I still havn;t attempting mixing down to wav… there is no “file>export” command, but I’m sure its very easy….once I figure it out….
You will need to create the master output track as a bounce track. Thus when you bounce-record the master track, you have your exported file. Currently this can only be done in real-time. Offline render/record is on the plan.
I could probably have every track on an album as a different arrangement?
Indeed. And you could have a mastering arrangement where you mix the bounce-recorded master tracks of the other arrangements.
Another FL has which I don;t know if Podium is ghost notes, where other midi notes in other clips at the same region in time appear in the clip you are currently editing, in a ‘faded out’ fashion.
This was recently implemented in Podium. Check that the ‘ghost notes intensity’ for the keyboard region in the profile properties dialog is not set to zero.
Is it possible to clone a clip in such a way that changes in the parent cascade into the children?
Start a normal drag of a sequence event. Before dropping it, press and hold the control key (a ‘+’ cursor is shown). The two events now refer to the same sequence (a ‘+’ in the upper left corner indicates this). Podium refers to these event types as ‘phantoms’. Another way to create them is to select a sequence event, and repeatedly pressing the insert key, which will create a series of phantom copies.
The GUI seems a bit sluggish. I was testing out on a 1gig machine with old shared memory graphics card
Podium is using transparency effects extensively, which does require a graphics card with decent hardware accelerated transparency. I’ve tried Podium on a machine with onboard graphics card, and it does make the Podium UI slow. On my new machine I have a cheap ATI X300 which makes Podium fly. The difference is huge.
Frits
lunik@Zynewave wrote:
Hi Lunik,
Thanks for your feedback. It’s always nice to hear first impressions, both the good and the bad.
I still havn;t attempting mixing down to wav… there is no “file>export” command, but I’m sure its very easy….once I figure it out….
You will need to create the master output track as a bounce track. Thus when you bounce-record the master track, you have your exported file. Currently this can only be done in real-time. Offline render/record is on the plan.
I could probably have every track on an album as a different arrangement?
Indeed. And you could have a mastering arrangement where you mix the bounce-recorded master tracks of the other arrangements.
Thats great. I currently end up with folders everywhere and different files. Can get a little confusing, this could really streamline things.Another FL has which I don;t know if Podium is ghost notes, where other midi notes in other clips at the same region in time appear in the clip you are currently editing, in a ‘faded out’ fashion.
This was recently implemented in Podium. Check that the ‘ghost notes intensity’ for the keyboard region in the profile properties dialog is not set to zero.
Fantastic! It seems such a silly little feature, but as I say I find it invaluable for working fast. I’ll look for it in the demo.
Is it possible to clone a clip in such a way that changes in the parent cascade into the children?
Start a normal drag of a sequence event. Before dropping it, press and hold the control key (a ‘+’ cursor is shown). The two events now refer to the same sequence (a ‘+’ in the upper left corner indicates this). Podium refers to these event types as ‘phantoms’. Another way to create them is to select a sequence event, and repeatedly pressing the insert key, which will create a series of phantom copies.
The GUI seems a bit sluggish. I was testing out on a 1gig machine with old shared memory graphics card
Podium is using transparency effects extensively, which does require a graphics card with decent hardware accelerated transparency. I’ve tried Podium on a machine with onboard graphics card, and it does make the Podium UI slow. On my new machine I have a cheap ATI X300 which makes Podium fly. The difference is huge.
Ok…good to hear its not an inherent issue with the graphics library.
This is what happens when the developer has a very nice machine (I saw your dual core post earlier) 🙂Thanks for your replies.
Frits
acousmod– ripple edits
Premier has some nice tools that allow you to select all clips beyond or behind the clip you select (ripple selecting so to speak). Thus creating or closing ‘holes’ an arrangement does not require you to be zoomed out to see the whole arrangement.
Support for these kind of things in podium would be good (if it doesn;t always exist).
Sure, moving sections in Podium is one of the trickiest thing !
I spend a lot of time to zoom out / select / invert selection / zoom in etc…
So a new option in the edit menu with “select all from cursor” will be a great relief !
Also, actually, adding or removing events from a selection can be only made one by one with the Shift key ?
The possibility to control-drag-select several events at a time to do this will be much appreciated 🙂
acousmodSo a new option in the edit menu with “select all from cursor” will be a great relief !
Allways !
ZynewaveI’ve added ‘select all from cursor’ to the edit menu. Will appear in 1.61.
acousmodI’ve added ‘select all from cursor’ to the edit menu. Will appear in 1.61.
Wonderfull !
It will be a great relief !
Thanks a lot.
The first step to a Ripple Edit feature ?
ZynewaveThe first step to a Ripple Edit feature ?
I thought you wanted the ‘select all from cursor’ instead of a ripple edit. Tell me how you want a ripple edit to work?
acousmodA ‘select all from cursor’ option will be already very usefull.
The Ripple edit which exist in some softwares allows to move all the objects that follow the one(s) which is selected and moved, depended on some options.
In Reaper it is a three states button : off / the track’s event / all the tracks.
In Vegas, it is a simple on / off button, but the button has a ‘sub menu’ where we can choose (memorized) between ‘Affected tracks’, ‘Affected tracks, bus, marker and regions’ and ‘All tracks, markers and regions’.
The locked events are not affected by the Ripple.
I suppose that in Podium it could be something like : ‘track’s event’, ‘track and sub tracks’, ‘all tracks’ ?
Personnaly I prefer the three states button solution…
ConquistadorPersonnaly I prefer the three states button solution…
Yes, agreed acousmod.
Frits, if you need more info…here is a simple graphical explanation of basic ripple editing….
http://www.puremotion.com/editstudio/screenshots-deletespace.htm
Zynewavehere is a simple graphical explanation of basic ripple editing….
It seems to me that what they refer to as ripple editing is how Podiums segment selection/editing is working. Deleting a segment will remove anything inside the segment and move following events back to close the gap. Using the ‘insert blank’ edit menu on a segment selection will move events forward to make room for the empty segment.
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
here is a simple graphical explanation of basic ripple editing….
It seems to me that what they refer to as ripple editing is how Podiums segment selection/editing is working. Deleting a segment will remove anything inside the segment and move following events back to close the gap. Using the ‘insert blank’ edit menu on a segment selection will move events forward to make room for the empty segment.
Correct! Hee hee :lol:, I generally like to wash down humble pie with a cool drink when available. 😆
Also it only takes a few clicks. The terminology is different in Podium hence the oversight. It works flawlessly here in Podium by the way, very quick and easy. 🙂
I use Vegas + DVD for video editing…Vegas has post ripple editing features for instance that involve rippling markers and envelopes as well as events.
Well Podium (from what I can see here) does this as well.
There was so much interest in this one feature in partcular in Reaper in a 30+ page thread at KVR you would have thought Reaper was the only application that had it!
It appears Podium has had this for a very long time. Maybe that wiki needs to happen sooner rather than later. 🙁
I would however not want the wiki to distract you from other important aspects of Podium. Maybe once you have chosen a wiki, Podium users could somehow help populate it. Don’t know how, but it may be necessary to avoid you getting pulled away from P’s development. Just a suggestion of course. 😉
ZynewaveIt appears Podium has had this for a very long time.
+10 years :wink:, although it was only in the recent update of the guide that it was described properly (selection & clipboard):
http://www.zynewave.com/guide/guide31_editors.htm#selection
Maybe once you have chosen a wiki, Podium users could somehow help populate it.
I hope so. I am currently experimenting with a wiki installation. Once I feel comfortable with it, I’ll give access to all registered Podium users so they can edit the contents.
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
+10 years :wink:, although it was only in the recent update of the guide that it was described properly (selection & clipboard):
http://www.zynewave.com/guide/guide31_editors.htm#selection
Wow! I guess that might be one of the first entries in the wiki then. 😉
I hope so. I am currently experimenting with a wiki installation. Once I feel comfortable with it, I’ll give access to all registered Podium users so they can edit the contents.
Good, it should be a great help to new and existing users.
acousmodIt seems to me that what they refer to as ripple editing is how Podiums segment selection/editing is working. Deleting a segment will remove anything inside the segment and move following events back to close the gap. Using the ‘insert blank’ edit menu on a segment selection will move events forward to make room for the empty segment.
Yes, I use this some times to split all the tracks at the same position which is otherwise very complicated, or to push all the following events when there is a silence on all the tracks.
It will be a good complement to a Ripple Edit feature.