Infinitoar.
InfinitoarHello again everyone, I’ll try not to make this super long so here’s my issue:
I’m using the freeware version of Podium and I ran into something really weird recently. Basically I made a remix and rendered it as a .wav. Then when I saw the total time on the track it went from 5:30 to 5:59! I checked everything, extra bars I may have put into the project and forgot about, showing all duplicates[for accidently layering on the sound but only found one but it wasn’t the culprit], everything, and yet no matter what I do the final WAV ends at 5:59 but the project unrendered song or “remix ends at 5:30. When I only bounced the master track it had up until 5:30 audio on it but then when I increased one of the bars[tables, whatever you call the boxes you can put notes in] I SAW on the MASTER TRACK it somehow inserted some “ghost” audio from the voxes in my project yet NOTHING is there! Is my PC possessed? Or is this a bug? And I’ve checked the vox track and there’s NOTHING there! No over layered audio or ANYTHING! If this is a bug will it only be fixed the the licensee’s or both versions? 😥
Now I know I’m not a “licensee” so really “what I get is what I get” but how am I sure that the final product won’t have the same problems such as this IF I decide to buy it? More or less on that “note” what I’m saying is: If the freeware version is just a “nerfed” feature version of the full version, yet they are both overall the “same”, how am I reassured this problem will not exist if I become a “licensee” in the paid version?
Now it’s something I can work around but I would have to keep reminding myself to make sure the project or song isn’t “messed up at the end” and then re-edit the ending in either Audacity or Podium. 🙁 Although I’d rather “feel safe” that I don’t have to remind myself of such a problem, but oh well I suppose. It’s up to Zynewave.
thcilnnahojHi,
I’m not sure I get what went wrong from your description, but I can say that it’s most likely not a bug. You just have to find the invisible track that’s still left over somewhere in your arrangement. 😉
First, deactivate all track tags that you may have enabled, so you really get to see all tracks. Secondly, expand all your group tracks and look through them.
If you still can’t find the problem, please post a screenshot of your arrangement, or upload the .pod project file somewhere (without audio files).
It’s also best if you delete the “master bounce” wave file from the master track and render a new one after you’ve found the culprit. This will make sure that the new bounce will be the same length as the arrangement.
@Infinitoar wrote:
Now I know I’m not a “licensee” so really “what I get is what I get” but how am I sure that the final product won’t have the same problems such as this IF I decide to buy it? More or less on that “note” what I’m saying is: If the freeware version is just a “nerfed” feature version of the full version, yet they are both overall the “same”, how am I reassured this problem will not exist if I become a “licensee” in the paid version?
The free version is indeed exactly the same as the full one, bar the limitations mentioned in the original Podium free thread. Any bugfixes that appear in, e.g., Podium 2.40 will be in Podium Free 2.40. The only difference is that the free version is not released simultaneously with the full version update, but a few months later. You know, there has to be some incentive to “upgrade”! 😉
LevendisDo you have a marker in the timeline at 5:59?
Master renders go beyond ‘clips’ (those boxes you put notes in) if there are timeline markers.
I usually make one called “End” and render bounces to that point.
InfinitoarI don’t really know how to explain it guys, it’s hard for me because Podium has never done this before. Never. It’s quite frustrating because if it’s never done this, then done this in the project I just “made” then it may be a bug, I don’t know. I’m new to how exactly to insert images in a forum and I was thinking of making a YouTube vid, but *sigh*…..I don’t even know what to say…it’s never happened before and it is now. I don’t do any tech things in Podium I just make tracks, remix music and that’s it. Use VST’s…BASICALLY just do normal stuff. I don’t even have a MIDI Keyboard so that also something.
I’ve checked everything, there IS NO AUDIO OR NOTES OR ANYTHING on the Master Track. NONE. Zip, nada, zero, ziltch, ceased, dead, nothing. I JUST discovered you can bounce the “Master Track” with NOTHING on it and yet it copies all the audio done in the project and then it mutes all the other tracks and you have some big “wav like” image/song[just like if you were to bounce a track] on the master track with no actual BARS on it. I’ve unbounced, rebounced, checked overlaying audio, overlaying NOTES,[which wasn’t even necessary] overlaying voxes, EVERYTHING. I tore my remix APART looking for a culprit and nothing going BEYOND 5:30 on my remix, yet it somehow takes a part of the vocals and makes a short silence and then these GHOST vocals come in from the vox track and make the mix end in 5:59, and not 5:30 🙁 And from 5:30 to 5:59 there isn’t anything there! NOTHING is THERE! What gives? There’s nothing there yet vocals are there? And thc how do you find “invisible tracks”?! 😆 They’re invisible so how do you “find them”? I’ve even gone 20 minutes OUTSIDE the remix, highlighting everything and then hitting “delete” and STILL it does that. And I understand there has to be some “incentive” to upgrade but that’s like giving someone a test car with no tires, then saying: Hey after you’ve tested this amazing luxury car with “no tires” try “this same car”, WITH TIRES! I mean maybe I’m sounding a bit overboard here but that’s just how I feel. Doesn’t matter anyway though I’m a free user so “what I get is what I get”. Even if it’s not “up to date”.
But I can work around this, but Zynewave if it means anything to you this is the best remix I’ve ever made in your program, but this “hiccup” concerns me, and although it may push me to buy Podium so I can get “instant upgrades”, it’s also mostly pushing me away from buying it. Because if other DAW companies update both the “nerfed” and final versions of their programs equally yet still get sales, I don’t see why Podium shouldn’t do the same. But this is your program, so whatever you feel is right for it is ultimately up to you.
thcilnnahoj@Infinitoar wrote:
And thc how do you find “invisible tracks”?! 😆 They’re invisible so how do you “find them”?
Well, you have to know all the possible ways to hide them in the first place. 😉
Won’t you let me give it a try? Please upload the .pod project file somewhere (without any audio files). You can find it by clicking on the ‘project’ menu button in Podium and selecting ‘explore projects folder’.
I can say I know Podium very well and I believe the trouble and doubt this issue causes you can be easily removed. And if I’m wrong and it really turns out to be a bug, we’ll be able to report it to Frits in a way that he can fix it quickly!
LiquidProj3ctI just read few words and sentences. It could be a problem with ex-bounced tracks (master and sends included). Right click on each track with a B button and disable Bounce->Enable Offline Render Bouncing and Enable Realtime Record Bouncing. Now try to bounce again the master
these GHOST vocals come in from the vox track and make the mix
Make you sure that Psycho Mantis isn’t disturbing you again 😆
I’ll read this post slowly later (no time right now). Anyway you can upload images using http://www.imageshack.us and then paste the forum code here.
InfinitoarMake you sure that Psycho Mantis isn’t disturbing you again
😯 MANTIS! *says it in Snake’s voice* 😆
@thc
Umm is there a way I can just email the .pod file to you? If so I will be MORE THAN happy to send it to you. 🙂
And thanks everyone for understanding. I still love Podium. *hugs PC, PC purrs* 😛 😆
LiquidProj3ctDid you try deleting all bounced channels as I suggested?
InfinitoarLiquid,
-I can’t thank you enough for your YouTube vids and what you’ve shown me on how to work Podium more fluently.
-I’ve done everything I could possibly think of of taking out this problem, and it’s still there.[So, yes I re-bounced everything, even deleted the project file and of course it made a new one, and yet the problem is still there.]
-This is the hardest, yet best remix I’ve ever created so far, and I’m really proud of it. But just recently last night after 3 or so hours of work, Podium crashed on me when rendering a new track I wanted to bounce. So the “cool” intro was GONE forever, and I now have to remember what I did. And yes it pissed me off to no extent, because Podium doesn’t have a “autosave or backupsave” just in case the program crashes it detects it and asks if you wish to “restore your work”
thc
– I’ve decided not to send you the file because even if it is a bug[IF it is] Zynewave will only fix the “paid version” and not the freeware version.[Notice how the freeware version is still on 2.35….]
So sadly I’m moving on. As in looking for another freeware DAW, or paidware. People have been telling me to try Reaper so I guess I’ll give that a shot. Thanks Zynewave for this program and although this program has amazing potential, it’s not working out for me. Crashes, and weird bugs that won’t be equally fixed will not make me a better musician at creating music. It will only slow me down, and frustrate me. I wish you all the luck in your program but you’ve got to try to do something for both the paidware and freeware versions. Something that will not slow people progress.
It’s just a theory of mine but I believe it is true: If you show that the freeware version is just as equal and good as the paidware version WITH equal updates, bug fixes and everything, you WILL get more potential customers who would want to BUY the full version. The freeware version is making a huge example out of your full version and if your freeware version is not as good as the paid version it will only tell people that the paid version is just as bad as the freeware version thus pushing potential customers “away”.
LiquidProj3ctBut just recently last night after 3 or so hours of work, Podium crashed on me when rendering a new track I wanted to bounce
Allow me say that this is a bit irresponsible, three hours without saving!! I bet that even NASA guys save their work each minute, without waiting to autosave 😆
I’ve decided not to send you the file because even if it is a bug[IF it is] Zynewave will only fix the “paid version” and not the freeware version.[Notice how the freeware version is still on 2.35….]
If you want do us an small favor, do it. We love Podium and we paid for it, some of us helps with manual, videos, screenshots, searching bugs, helping other users, whatever. If the regular version get fixed you will get it some day, but it won’t be fixed if we’re unaware of the bug!
So sadly I’m moving on. As in looking for another freeware DAW, or paidware.
If you’re looking for another paidware DAW, why not show us your bug and pay for Podium? You will get the fixed version without waiting. Anyway if your wish is moving on for another reasons, I respect it and my best wishes for you 🙂
People have been telling me to try Reaper so I guess I’ll give that a shot.
Snapshot from Reaper’s forum, today:
I want to tell you with this image that all host/plugins have bugs.
Best regards 😉
InfinitoarAllow me say that this is a bit irresponsible, three hours without saving!! I bet that even NASA guys save their work each minute, without waiting to autosave
Comparing NASA to a unfinished DAW is like comparing a Honda Civic to a Lambo in terms of speed. I see no point of what you made there. And yes it’s not Podium responsibility to save every time I want it to but how about WHEN I hit “Ctrl-S” it crashes anyway?[which has happened to me sadly] So I have a ticking time bomb DAW?! o.O And “autosave” is a key essential to work because if a browser can have “restore lost pages”[Google Chrome for example] I do believe Podium has the potential to have the same. But it’s up to Zynewave, not me.
If the regular version get fixed you will get it some day
I can’t wait for “someday”, because “someday” could mean “any day”. As I said I’m learning music as steadily as I can and if Podium is crashing and producing these bugs then how will I learn[in my own way of learning] music if I can’t have a “stable program” to which to learn music IN?
Showing Reaper’s bugs and it has 6 left.
o.O How is that bad?
And I never said that any DAW didn’t have bugs, hell even Pro Tools has bugs, FL Studio has bugs, etc etc, but I’m saying this: Why should I be teased with the freeware version if it has stuff I can’t have fixed? Why isn’t Zynewave doing like any other DAW company and just releasing the Full Version Demo and the Full Version? The freeware is a neat addition to those who do not have the funds[during this crazy economy and all] to purchase extra things[such as a full version of programs] but fixing the full paid version and then leaving the freeware version in the dark[for a while] is a bit unfair to me. Then again, as I said, I’m not a licensee, so what I believe or wish doesn’t matter because I haven’t contributed anything “money wise” yet. Then again, I “could” be a potential customer to “buy” the full version based upon the support on the freeware version. But I guess no one really thinks about that upon the freeware users, since freeware users don’t really “pay” for anything. Because the way I see it is Freeware users=eventual Paidware users, IF the freeware version shows us that it’s “not so different” from the paid version.[except the certain features that are taken out which I am well aware of and supportive of] Now some may say: “Man Infin, your sounding like a child complaining, wah wah wah, just either send the file or don’t use it, it’s that simple.” Well I’ve sent the file to thc so we will see what the problem is. Until then what I believe Podium’s potential is and what I think it should have to greatly increase it’s usability among all sorts of musical artists, will stand in my mind until I am proven wrong.
Podium has great potential, but Zynewave holds the key to unlock it. But Zynewave don’t hold the key for too long otherwise someone else will have the same key your holding and open the door a lot sooner than you.
LiquidProj3ct@Infinitoar wrote:
Showing Reaper’s bugs and it has 6 left.
No, 6 are being solved. 401 left (I guess than 30% of them are the same bug or they’re not a bug, actually).
… the rest of your post…
Frits want earn money to pay his bills. He cannot give all his work for free. The most of ppl with a cheap PC (around 400€) and an internet conection (around 200€/year in Spain) and free time to do music, can allow pay $50 for Podium. This isn’t a critize or a row! Just a thought before doing this simple question:
What do you want to achieve with your post?
Cheers!
InfinitoarI want to achieve nothing in my post because my post was never meant to achieve anything. But me personally “will not” buy a product that isn’t steady. If and when Podium becomes more steady in the future then yes by all means I will spend $50 for it, but I see it like this:
Spend $50 and get less features than spending $50 on something I can get more out of. [Better example: Buying a car with missing essentials vs buying a full car. For the same price.]
And yes Zynewave/Frits has bills to pay[don’t we all?], but that doesn’t change what business model he’s running. And the way I see it is this:
Frits: I’ll fix/implement whatever I feel is best to fix/implement.
Potential customers/customers: Can you please fix this, or add that, we really need it.
Frits: No. I’ll do it when I feel like it.
Me: o.O How is he getting business again? *scratches head*
In a[sad] way I see what most people have been talking about in “Calling To Awareness” post. But I’m not saying Frits is a evil old man who is just out for the money, but I feel he needs to at least give us something to hope for as far as the untapped potential of a “potentially great” program. And all I really want is less bugs, less crashes, an autosave feature, and more stability. “To me” that isn’t asking for much, maybe it is to you all and Frits, who knows. I don’t care about audio stretching, pitch shifting, tempo change on different tracks, MIDI stuff I don’t even understand, none of that. Just stability. I don’t to want buy a “lemon”.[Yes I used a car term on a program]
So I’m asking YOU this Liquid since you’ve been answering and replying to my posts the most it seems:
Would you buy a $50 unsteady program that would only slow you down in the process of you trying to release content of your own? Or would you invest in a alternative to help keep your dream/progress of creating music at a steady pace?
LiquidProj3ctFrits: I’ll fix/implement whatever I feel is best to fix/implement.
Potential customers/customers: Can you please fix this, or add that, we really need it.
Frits: No. I’ll do it when I feel like it.
Me: o.O How is he getting business again? *scratches head*
I’m learning to program too, in fact I’m starting my own business, and sometimes things are not as easy as we can believe. To change a behavior could request a BIG effort.
Would you buy a $50 unsteady program that would only slow you down in the process of you trying to release content of your own? Or would you invest in a alternative to help keep your dream/progress of creating music at a steady pace?
I tested all the host with demo version for PC in the past. Having easily the money to buy Live Suite three times I’m here for a reason. Sometimes when I need certain features that Podium didn’t have in the past I had to use another host. Each day this is less frecuent.
Don’t be drastic, two weeks ago you loved Podium Free, is just a simple fail (a crash in three hours without saving, probabily provoked by a third party SE plugin) what changed your mind.
Anyway I encourage you test another options. Maybe some click with you, or maybe after the initial honey moon stage you decide try another one or come back here. I’ll receive you as the first day 😀
druidThis is a bit exaggerated I feel. I can understand your frustration, but an about turn without being willing to let other people help is a bit over the top.
Also, I have read nowhere that Podium Free won’t be updated. My understanding is it will receive most of the updates (especially bug fixes) that the paid version does. It just won’t be updated as soon, that’s all.
If you will jump this easily over something, then you will likely be disappointed by all software. There is not a single piece of complex software that won’t crash under certain circumstances. There are methods of course that can be implemented by software to help reduce the effect of crashing, like autosaves, and I am not familiar with Podium’s features in this regard, if there are any. But how do you know it was Podium that crashed, and not Windows? Or your computer hardware? Or some other software running in the background?
It is very true however that a person who is serious about keeping their work will save more often than three hours. I guess there are scenarios that might make that a nuisance, but I would never ever trust that kind of data staying alive on the computer for three hours without saving. I even save my word documents compulsively, as I’ve had experience in the past with crashes in Microsoft Word! No software is 100% safe. That includes Reaper, by the way!
I’m not saying don’t blame Podium; but I am saying please don’t jump so fast to conclusions and then be unwilling to help out. We’d like to help you and Frits make sure this is resolved. The solution won’t necessarily appear in a day or two, but with a little patience I am sure it can be worked out.