Topic: Master Bounce

Don’t be drastic, two weeks ago you loved Podium Free, is just a simple fail (a crash in three hours without saving, probabily provoked by a third party SE plugin) what changed your mind.

I loved Podium for the fact it was somewhat stable on my system. But now that I know I have a random ticking time bomb of course my mind is going to “change” Liquid. Save: Could crash. Load a VST: Could crash. Render a track: Could crash. Am I missing something here? I mind as well say if I don’t do anything it “won’t crash” but then how will I make sure I can make something in the program? 😯 And me working for 3 hours and not saving, yes it was my mistake, but I’m not a “robot”. I won’t remember to save often because of the belief of the program NOT crashing. I mean “yes” I admit to my mistake but come’on Podium isn’t exactly “scott free” either…

Anyway I encourage you test another options.

I’ve already tried my other options. And why is everyone leaping down Reaper’s throat? I was told to “try it out” I didn’t say the program was “better than Podium” jeeeezus. Until my “issue was fixed” someone said try Reaper until it was resolved, if possible. I mean I understand the defense in “Podium’s name” but come’on guys, wow. Pointing out another DAW’s mishaps isn’t going to make my decision of just waiting out to see what problem thc can find any better.[And thc I’m counting on you. 🙂 ]

but an about turn without being willing to let other people help is a bit over the top.

Did ANYONE READ my post fully? Or just skimmed over it? I said basically: “I sent it to thc I’m going to see what he can do.” Meaning I’m hoping he can find a solution if not either I work around it or find a alt program until it can be fixed. *facepalm*

Also, I have read nowhere that Podium Free won’t be updated. My understanding is it will receive most of the updates (especially bug fixes) that the paid version does. It just won’t be updated as soon, that’s all.

I guess you didn’t read most post fully either and just skimmed over it too. *sigh* I KNOW it gets updated just the same as the paid version but I just wish it was updated at the SAME TIME as the paidware version. I’m used to using demo’s of other DAW’s and when a patch comes out then so does a similar patch for the “demo” version. Meaning equal updates on both versions. Sometimes I wonder if people actually sit and read+understand what I mean… 🙄 😕

But how do you know it was Podium that crashed, and not Windows? Or your computer hardware? Or some other software running in the background?

When using a DAW I’ve learned 1ST hand to shut off everything you are NOT using. Anti virus spyware, make sure your volume is defragged, make sure you have a lot of HDD space, no programs connecting to the internet, SHUT OFF any program connecting to the internet, music players, etc etc. I’m using Windows XP 32bit not 64bit, and the VST’s I use barely use any CPU unless it’s DRUMCORE FREE and I usually use that by itself because it takes a bit more CPU than I thought it does.

It is very true however that a person who is serious about keeping their work will save more often than three hours.

I wonder how many ways I have to admit that was my fault for being so excited about creating something in Podium I forgot to save, it crashed I lost the hardwork I made. [yet it seems people are saying the fault is one sided and not ALSO Podium’s fault… 😕 ]

No software is 100% safe. That includes Reaper, by the way!

You guys have something against REAPER or something? Wow…like I said I was told until the issue is fixed[if it can be] maybe I. SHOULD. TRY. REAPER. Please read the capital letters like 50 times just to make sure you all got it, for those who’d like further comment. *sigh*

We’d like to help you and Frits make sure this is resolved. The solution won’t necessarily appear in a day or two, but with a little patience I am sure it can be worked out.

Out of all that it seems someone shown some thought for me admitting my mistake and yet supporting Podium not in a way that it’s not it’s fault also.

For my final say so on this whole THING. I SENT the FILE to “thc”. Whenever he can get to it and see what’s wrong I hope is soon.[Because thc the remix competition ends in Feb 2011 sadly.] For now I will work around it, but it’s a pet peeve I guess you can say. And for any further commenters please READ the WHOLE post before saying anything else that was already CLARIFIED. 🙄 😕

Huh… well, I’m confused.

Look at the dates, thc they are different. I decided to give you the file so you can look at the problem.

I noticed that you seem to have time-stretched the tracks provided for the remix from 134 to 140 bpm – which program did you use for this?

I used Audacity. Since it’s the only tempo freeware shifter I’ve always used in the past, I’ve decided to use it for this project too.

By the way, I’m afraid to say Liquid is right – this amount of SynthEdit plug-ins is guaranteed to make any sequencer cry hard. I had more crashes in 30 minutes than I’ve experienced in the whole 3+ years I’ve used Podium!

I know Liquid is right. And I know the more plugins you use the greater the strain on the CPU and program you are using. I just didn’t expect it to crash, which really upset me.[And for anyone else for the last time: I ADMIT it was my fault that I did not save before rendering.]

Anyway thanks thc, for the attempt. Maybe the stretched vocals caused the mishap, or bug who knows. I know while bounced if I increase the ending then I start to see the “ghost voxes”. But even if I don’t and the project says and “shows” the song ends at 5:30 it “renders” the ending at 5:59. Maybe it’s a tempo shift bug. Because come to think of it, this has never happened until I’ve decided to use “shifted” vocal tempo.[from Audacity] In every other project I’ve just used the default vocals with nothing “shited” tempo wise. Hmmmm….. ❓

Ok I checked Audacity and yes it by “default” saves the file at 44.1k So even if I render new tempo wavs it would still save it at the rate I haven’t touched, which is 44.1k. So as I said: The phantom voxes “may” be because of the shifted voxes. Who knows.

As far as the “plugins” I used, I use what is available to me. As you can tell[or anyone can tell] I don’t have spare cash to blow on good plugins so I use what I have, or what I can get my hands on. I’ve considered using nothing but cracked software but I’m too honest about doing that. I sift through KVR for plugins that have a high rating download them and then play around with them and the presets. [when I have time]Now I don’t know which plugins you all think are “buggy mediocre” plugins but if you would like to point out which ones are then I would not mind knowing. I know DSK’s Plugins are absolute trash because recently DSK Virtruso[or however it’s spelled] crapped out on me and now I hate all his plugins. AMVST Plugins I don’t think are bad either and have never caused me any problems. But if anyone has a opinion on what I should use then I’ll hear you out.

@bladerunner wrote:

infinitoar – big tick rhino is currently on sale for 35 euros – an absolute steal for a supreme quality synth – very stable.

http://www.bigtickaudio.com/rhino/home

Thanks Blade! I meant to thank you for the list. I’m a “bit” lazy[just a bit 😀 ] but if you know of some other good plugins that use a low CPU please by all means tell me. And I’m grateful for what you all have suggested.

If you accidentally saved a 48kHz wav and your project is at 44.1kHz…

44.1kHz __________ 5,5 minutes
48 kHz____________ y minutes

44.1y = 48 x 5,5

y = 5,986 minutes, which 0,986 [minutes] x 60 [seconds / minute] = 59 second!!, so y = 5 minutes 59 seconds!

OH Liquid, I’m about to open Podium Free and see your 48k problem. I think I DISCOVERED it.

I was checking out ASIO4ALL and noticed the “always resample audio from 44.1 to 48k” was check boxed in ASIO. So I JUST ‘un’checked that! If that was the problem then now I feel kind of stupid, and I do stand corrected.[although now, to make sure, I am going to unbounce and rebounce all tracks, then export to .wav and see.] I just hope that was it. Although I still have a strong feeling it was.

Also[another story]I recently introduced my bud to Podium. He loves it! He uses “Tab-It” and if you don’t pay it limits you by a LOT.[which is so stupid for a program that looks like someone was lazy on the GUI side….anyway…] He HATED it so much, but when I showed him Podium, FA3Amp, and Revitar he was very satisfied. He is still learning Podium but he still likes the program. And about Revitar&FA3Amp I know those 2 take a bit more CPU BUT they have good sound for an electric guitar..[Except the first preset on Revitar it seems one of the strings is out of tune…or maybe I’m wrong lol…just sounds like it]

Also those low CPU usage[yet really good] plugins make bouncing faster. Still thanks everyone.

Time to test. And thanks again. 😀