Topic: MIDI Keyboard Trouble

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  • #2717
    gtrldy
    Participant

    I’m new to Podium Free. I’m having trouble getting my MIDI keyboard to work with Podium. 😥 The MIDI keyboard is a Korg Nanokeys USB keyboard. Yes I know this keyboard is practically a toy, but it does work. (note: my ‘official’ keyboard is a K2000 – pre-USB MIDI ) My computer is a Laptop with Windows 7.

    Here’s the lowdown on what happens. I set up my Nanokeys to control a VST synth. It worked fine once. Then it wouldn’t work again. The first time I got it to work I walked away to do something else and my computer went to into Sleep Mode. When I came back and ‘woke up’ my computer Podium Free would no longer receive MIDI messages from my NanoKeys. I didn’t change any settings. All that changed was the Sleep Mode on my Window 7 LT and waking it up again. That’s it.

    Then a second time I was able to get the Podium to work with the Namokeys again by restarting and going into set-up and checking the MIDI channels etc. Then I changed screens to look at the Podium User Manual in the PDF file. When I came back to the Podium program window Podium would no longer work with the Nanokeys. This time as well I didn’t change any Podium settings between when the Nanokeys was working as a controller and when it stopped working. Note: the second time it stopped working I did notice the MIDI icon in the far right bottom corner of the Track window was flashing green when I pressed down on the keys on my Nanokeys. But no sound was coming out of the VST synth (no sound levels showing in the track or mixer).

    Does any one know what’s going wrong here? I really need to be able to use an external MIDI controller (to control VST instruments) in Podium. This is a primary function that I use a lot. This is how I sketch out my songs for demos. I am another former Cubase user. I have used Cubase for over 10 years. I have used MIDI since it first came out in the 1980’s. So, I am no stranger to either MIDI or DAWs. Just a newbie with Podium Free. Have I encountered a bug?

    Another question regarding this is since I only have one MIDI channel I can use at one time (did I read this right) with Podium Free which channel is it or does it change? If it’s a fixed channel it would be nice to know which one.

    Ciao,

    GtrLdy

    #21580
    druid
    Participant

    If you’re familiar with MIDI, then I suppose you’d know most (all?) hosts require the MIDI controller to be on and connected before opening them, for them to recognise and use it.

    I’m sure you knew that, so on to my other concern!

    It sounds like, after some time, the controller is, perhaps, disconnecting? If you aren’t using a USB device for some time, there’s a chance it’s being put to sleep, I believe. If that happens, Podium may see it as a disconnect, and reconnecting the USB device would presumably mean needing to restart Podium with the device on again.

    If you go to Device Manager in Windows 7, and check some of your USB device properties, you’ll find an option that you can disable, whereby Windows can’t power down USB to save power. See if disabling those helps you at all.

    In regards to MIDI, I think what is meant is that Podium will only allow one input device in the setup, and one output. But I could be wrong, Frits might have to answer that one.

    #21583
    gtrldy
    Participant

    I did make sure the MIDI Nanokeys was on and working. As I said in the second time (the problem happened) the MIDI Icon in the lower right of the Podium window was showing the MIDI data coming in. Plus the Nanokeys light was on the whole time these problems occured. I’ve used this keyboard before and it’s never gone to sleep on me. Never had this problem in any other DAW. Not Cubase, not ANVIL, not in a stand alone vert synth. Note: I’ve tried using my Nanokeys in ANVIL the same day this Podium problem happened, and I had absolutely no problems what so ever. So Yes I did already rule out any problems with the Nanokeys. The problem is with Poduim and the Nanokeys working together.

    Gtrldy

    #21584
    gtrldy
    Participant

    I looked in the device properties with the Nanokeys conected of course. I didn’t see any feature about it going to sleep. Then I got to thinking maybe I need a new driver from Korg? It looks like it’s just using a generic driver now. I never manually installed a driver for this “new” computer. It just said “driver installed” the first time I plugged it in. I will look at that and see if that solves my troubles.

    GtrLdy

    #21585
    gtrldy
    Participant

    I installed the KORG Nanokey driver and so for so good. If this solves my problem then I feel like a big dummy, cause, gee, I should’a done this first! (intall KORG driver). Note: there is a WINDOWS 7 MS forum (run by MS) where there’s a bunch of posts about the Nanokeys not working with several other DAWs in Windows 7. They (MS) say they have the most up to date USB Drivers and that it should work. I wish they weren’t so,… …well, arrogant. Cause it sure seems like the Windows 7 driver for this doesn’t cut it for Nanokeys. Anyhoo… Guess I’m done with this problem. I hope. If I don’t post again about this assume problem solved.

    Ciao for now,

    GtrLdy

    #21588
    gtrldy
    Participant

    Okay, well the KORG driver sloved all but one problem. I have to plug in my Nanokeys to the USB BEFORE I open up the Podium program. If I open the Podium program first and THEN plug in the Nanokeys to the USB Podium will not see the Nanokeys. So I now know this. Other posts on other Forums state this problem with Nanokeys and other DAWs. So when the computer goes to sleep the conection between the Nanokeys and Poduim is broken. So I need to shut down the program (Podium) and unplug and re-plugin the Nanokeys,, then I open up Poduim again with the Nanokeys already plugged in. As long as I do this there is no problem. Is this usual for all USB Keyboards?

    Ciao,

    GtrLdy

    #21590
    Levendis
    Participant

    @gtrldy wrote:

    I have to plug in my Nanokeys to the USB BEFORE I open up the Podium program. If I open the Podium program first and THEN plug in the Nanokeys to the USB Podium will not see the Nanokeys… Is this usual for all USB Keyboards?

    Launching Podium with an unpowered/unplugged USB keyboard yields the same scenario for me. Rather than closing and reopening Podium you can bring up the Setup > Audio/Midi > MIDI (tab) with your USB device powered, check the box next to your midi device and click ‘OK’.

    I replicated this in FL Studio and had to click ‘Rescan MIDI devices’ in the preference panel.

    While it adds to your carbon footprint I suggest always having your keyboard powered, even if it means adding an USB hub to the chain 🙂

    #21596
    gtrldy
    Participant

    If I try to do that (open up the MIDI set-up) to select the Nanokeys it’s not there, not even listed. The only solution is to plug in the Nanokeys first. I have no idea why if I do that in reverse, why the Nanokeys is not even recognized. But looking at other posts about Nanokeys this problem is not unusual. So, I’m thinkin’ that this is a common problem unique to Nanokeys. Maybe it’s the driver for Nanokeys. I think I will post this issue on the Nanokeys Forum and see what Korg says.

    Ciao,

    Gtrldy

    #21597
    gtrldy
    Participant

    Is there a “re-scan MIDI devices” in Podium??

    Gtrldy

    #21603
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Gtrldy, a RESCAN? as in “clear cache and rescan” in a DAW such as REAPER? Not exactly. It’s not really needed in this system, because Podium handles all of this in its own unique manner. It never loses anything from its database. Once understood and set up to your liking, you’re good to go and can add or delete plugins at any time. Furthermore, Podium offers a few other VST/VSTi handling abilities that no other system I know of employs. (You’ll find a dropdown menu list of all device options of this sort at top on the right where your devices are shown.)

    I’m still a Podium semi-newbie, and initially, I found the setup of my plugins a bit time-consuming but is paying great dividends now. Part of what took me longer was that I am a perfectionist in how I arrange features and devices in a fully user customizable DAW, and also, Podium inspired me to do a complete overhaul and re-organization of all my plugins and folders when I got using it. Add to that the fact that I didn’t really know exactly how I wanted them set up when I began and decided this as I got to work.

    Basically, here is the deal: Podium will allow you have a custom plugin setup for each and every project you are doing if you so desire. However, I almost always set things up universally and globally, so I may never use this option. And there is a way to do this as well.

    First of all, you let Podium find all your plugs by linking in all their residence folders in your program files. You do this in your Preferences. MY next step was to click to open properties of each and rename there any plugs that had long, goofy names or version numbers, etc., that I just didn’t need to see. My next step was to decide and customize all in’s and out’s for each one. I rarely need 16 MIDI outs on my plugins, so I cut down most to exactly what I’ll use (can always change these later, if needed). Then I brought together by dragging the few instruments, for example, that had self-installed into their own Program Files folders to my main instruments folders — Synths, Drums — whatever system you’ve created that works well for you. Did the very same for my effects — Guitar Stuff, Delays, Reverbs, Mastering Plugins, etc.

    Once you have things exactly how you want them — with every dang plugin you’ve got! — this is your complete Big Database. POdium stores this as a .pod file in AppData. You want to go to Explore Setup Folder. There, you will want to save (or re-save) all this as PluginDatabase.pod.

    There! You now have all your current goodies (I have a tonne of free ones, mainly) saved safely just the way you named and arranged them. You can always add/delete plugs later to be saved in individually customized arrangements in any project pod file, but the main Database will contain everything you’ve got. Think of it as your generic full collection I guess.

    That ought to go a long way in getting you going. Setting all this up is sort of a tedious deal, but I’ll tell you, once you’ve customized to your liking practically everything about Podium, you’ve got your self one lean and powerful monster of a recording/editing system. You control it, not vice versa, like some other brands. Ultra-efficient, super-fast future setups of each project, awesome workflow (because it is YOUR perfect and suited workflow now).

    #21604
    The Telenator
    Participant

    BTW, like your Nanokeys, I always turn on and have the USB in for my guitar/mic interface before opening Podium. If you are (certainly, I hope) using an ASIO with your interface and/or instrument, Podium wants it ON so the Audio/MIDI setup you have already set up stays powered up and connected.

    If you don’t, Podium will indicate “not connected” for your in’s and out’s in that dialog. Without this kept on, you then have to resort to something else, such as DirectSound, MME (ick!), or whatever your computer has to, for example, play back your tracks and so on. If you turn it on after, you’ll have to exit and reopen stuff anyways and update/reset your Audio/MIDI connection setup to get things back to your norm. Not worth the hassle, if you ask me.

    #21605
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Don’t know if it was mentioned above, but with any DAW you should optimize your PC so that things like Sleep Mode never, ever kick in and mess stuff up. Same idea with these power saver things that come on so many PCs now. Always employ full power. You never want anything to change while Podium is UP — if only ’cause you never want anything like AutoUpdate to phone home and suck CPU and power or, even more important, you never want to have something kick in which just very likely might place a nasty pop or click on your track while recording the most amazing awesome solo you will ever play in your entire life. Green footprints and saving the planet by running a hobbled PC are for desk jobs, telemarketers, pencil pushers and internet bloggers. You are an engineer, producer and musician and your existence and respect depends on a top-notch system that does it right the first time every time (we all hope).

    #21607
    gtrldy
    Participant

    Thanks for the great pointers. I really love how Podium is so customizable for all the plugins and settings. I also like how I can get at the plugins right in the track and inspector windows. Makes composing and recording much more spontaneous like it should be. I don’t like having to stop every time (In some other DAWs) when I need to change to another synth or pluging and have to go searching for it in a folder. I can just scroll through right there when I’m between takes. Saves time and emotional and mental energy. I’m finding that so far Poduim Free (I’ve had it all of about 5 days now) is very mush set up for ease of use while I’m actually recording and editing. Very cool.

    GtrLdy

    #21634
    druid
    Participant

    Sorry I had to cover those basics, you never know what people do and don’t know. I did miss one of your points, it’s quite hard to use mobile devices to read properly I find! 🙂

    I am not familiar with the Nanokeys, but most MIDI devices are class compliant, meaning default drivers should be fine. However, if installing vendor-specific drivers helps you, there’s nothing wrong with that either, and at least it helps you!

    I usually find most programs won’t recognise my Remote SL if I don’t have it plugged in and powered on before loading the program. Some programs do have a rescan feature, but because I have to at least rescan with any program, I always just try to have it on before opening any audio softwareI think that’s the best way, since programs don’t dynamically react to USB devices being plugged in.

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