Topic: MIDI note preview problem
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May 29, 2010 at 17:21 #2250
siegfriedParticipantSorry if this was already discussed here. If I enter, move, or click any note in pianoroll, the note is played and I hear sound. This is ok, but If I´m working with long notes (pads, strings…) then I must wait and hear whole note everytime, and this is REALLY ANNOYING especially during composing. Is it possible to stop preview if I click Play button? And/or if I stop pressing mouse button? Thanks…
May 29, 2010 at 17:26 #18326
ZynewaveKeymasterIn the piano roll editor:
Menu: View > Customize Region > Piano Roll
Disable the “audition selected and edited notes” option.
May 29, 2010 at 18:04 #18327siegfriedParticipantThanks, but in my opinion the better option is to hear the note only if the mouse button is pressed, like in Reaper for example…
May 29, 2010 at 19:01 #18328
LiquidProj3ctParticipantI have the same impression when I worked in the past with other host. What siegfried want to mean is that if you quickly move long notes the preview can be annoying since it overlap with other sounds (with it same timbre) that are playing. This can confuse you while you’re dragging a note looking for the best interval in relation with other notes.
The preview can be improved if when you keep down the mouse you trigger the sound until you release the button that it sound should go to release stage.
And, a personal desire about previewing notes in piano roll with the same objetive (look for the best interval) would be that preview notes were automaticaly disabled when Podium is playing. Or at least a quick button to turn on/off the preview. Because when you’re playing a loop improving the relationship between notes the preview is annoying due to the same overlapping with other sound with the same timbre. And while Podium is stopped you don’t have that problem and it can be an advantage hear the pitch before release the mouse.
May 29, 2010 at 19:21 #18329siegfriedParticipantLiquidProj3ct: exactly. Well said. Sorry, my english isn´t so good, so it is hard to explain things correctly and clearly… to be honest, this problem (midi notes preview behavior) is critical for me 🙁
May 30, 2010 at 00:08 #18330ZynewaveKeymasterI can add a preview on/off button on the left side panel of the piano roll and drum map editors. Would that solve the problems?
May 30, 2010 at 04:32 #18334LiquidProj3ctParticipantNot exactly, but I would use a lot that button turning it off when Podium is playing, saving time, so, please add it if you have a reason to preview notes while podium is playing.
Siegfried pointed that preview of the note should start/restart when you create/move a new note, and it must last (sustain stage) until you release the mouse button (and sound would go to release stage). THis is very useful when you’re moving short (<1/32) and long (>1/1) notes looking for the best musical interval, but annoying if you don’t have it. Preview should work in the same way that piano roll’s keys. The time that preview note is sounding should depend only of mouse click, and it should be independent of event lenght.
May 30, 2010 at 11:01 #18338
ConquistadorParticipant@Zynewave wrote:
I can add a preview on/off button on the left side panel of the piano roll and drum map editors. Would that solve the problems?
That would be useful definitely thanks…but in addition to that…
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
The time that preview note is sounding should depend only of mouse click, and it should be independent of event lenght.
I totally agree with this. Good point.
May 30, 2010 at 19:48 #18349ZynewaveKeymaster@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
Not exactly, but I would use a lot that button turning it off when Podium is playing, saving time, so, please add it if you have a reason to preview notes while podium is playing.
I find the audition useful during playback, when trying to fit notes to the playing melody.
Siegfried pointed that preview of the note should start/restart when you create/move a new note, and it must last (sustain stage) until you release the mouse button (and sound would go to release stage). THis is very useful when you’re moving short (<1/32) and long (>1/1) notes looking for the best musical interval, but annoying if you don’t have it. Preview should work in the same way that piano roll’s keys. The time that preview note is sounding should depend only of mouse click, and it should be independent of event lenght.
Then when you move notes by dragging, the note would play continuously until you drop the note. I think that could be annoying to some.
The audition of the true note length can be useful, when you step through the notes in a sequence by using the arrow right key. The note length of especially short notes also can have a big impact on how the note will sound, so for short notes it is useful to have the true note length auditioned. For very long notes I agree that it can be annoying, but I think I will solve that for now by adding the audition on/off button to the editor.
May 30, 2010 at 20:39 #18350LiquidProj3ctParticipantThen when you move notes by dragging, the note would play continuously until you drop the note. I think that could be annoying to some.
That’s the desided effect! I’d bet most people use mouse to move notes and I (we) feel more comfortable in this way. Could you consider add it as an option in piano roll options window?
I find the audition useful during playback, when trying to fit notes to the playing melody.
IMO, the only way to test if a note fit in a melody during playback is hear the note in its right timming, not hear the note in the first bar when you should hear it in the fourth. The problem is bigger when you’re using monophonic instruments.
May 30, 2010 at 21:16 #18351ZynewaveKeymaster@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
Could you consider add it as an option in piano roll options window?
Perhaps in a future update. I think there are going to be plenty of changes in the 2.31 release, that I would like people to get used to before making further changes.
May 31, 2010 at 16:26 #18359LiquidProj3ctParticipantok 😉
June 1, 2010 at 15:12 #18368siegfriedParticipant@Zynewave wrote:
I find the audition useful during playback, when trying to fit notes to the playing melody.
OK, but then you need to hear only the actual (pressed) note. Not all notes which you pressed few seconds ago (this leads to horrible cacophony!). To be honest, this behavior is a big disappointment for me, because the Podium´s pianoroll seem to be almost unusable for composing pads, strings and similar stuff 🙁
June 1, 2010 at 20:00 #18369ZynewaveKeymasterI’ve now changed it so that the note audition will stop when you release the mouse button. Clicking shorter notes will still only audition the true note length, even if the mouse button is still being pressed.
June 1, 2010 at 22:10 #18370siegfriedParticipantAwesome!!!
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