Pigini.
koolkeysI think it’s time to move on. The pros seriously outweigh the cons. Personally, I’m on both XP and Vista now and both are pretty stable(except ASIO4ALL on Vista, grrrrrr). But there just comes a time when you’ve got to let go of the old systems. If it means better workflow, better performance, and more time spent coding needed features and fixes(as opposed to supporting too many systems), I’m all for it.
Brent
Klemperer@koolkeys wrote:
I’m on both XP and Vista now and both are pretty stable(except ASIO4ALL on Vista, grrrrrr).
Brent
I can confirm this (after my nightmare with Vista and network-issues (solved with SP1 and a hotfix, more than a year after release of Vista).
I think another idea was to leave the last Win98-Podium available for download as one of the “elder versions” as soon as you might only use your new working-tool. WinXP was such a big step towards stability compared to 98, and I hope Podium will stay compatible with XP for quite a long time.
Pigini@Zynewave wrote:
I’ve just released Podium 1.99. It is still compiled with VS6, so Windows compatibility is unchanged.
I guess I got excited too early about the unchanged windows 98se compatibility.
I had no time for testing earlier, just installed podium 1.99 today, and it installs alright, but after leaving the project setup and actually starting the new arrangement I get a c++ runtime error ..application requested the runtime to terminate in an unusual way. 🙁
It would have been nice to have a bugfixed final win98 version, but well …
Looks like the new developer tool puts something in the code w98 just can’t handle. It’s the same error message I get with the newer Reaper versions (started testing them when the w98 compatibility thing came up for podium). They still claim to support w98, but must have changed teir developer tool too.
Sometimes I just wish I had not sold my Logic5, it qualifies for being the dumbest thing I ever did 😥
acousmodHi Pigini,
I’ve tried the latest build of Reaper on an old Pentium Tablet PC with Win98 and it works (slowly !) without any error.
I cannot tell you about Podium because the MSI installer didn’t work.
Perhaps is there something else in your config that causes the error ?
PiginiThanx for the hint, I only tried 2 versions of reaper just after the subject of dumping win98 support for podium came up. After it crashed each time I supposed their w98 support no longer existed either. Will check again if that crash bug is gone in the recent version.
KlempererAnd, Pigini, correct me if I’m wrong (as I don’t have my old Win98-PC anymore) I guess energyXT, at least 1.41, is compatible. And you can of course load it as a vst and vsti in any Podium version that will work with your setup.
PiginiYes, energyxt 1.41 is w98 compatible, I’m using it sometimes because of the multi arranger mode and the tempo automation with envelope, it does not sync with other comps though.
energyxt2.0 is not w98 compatible, but I would not want to use it anywhere anyway. Too buggy.
I never tried, but I can see no real advantage of running energyxt1.41 within podium. Since podium can’t link midi between vst, I would have to load the vst within energyxt-vst and loose podiums smarter plugin automation (in energyxt1.41 it was assignable midi controllers only).
There might be some advantages in some cases though.
Well, it’s not as if I, all of a sudden, could not work under w98 anymore. The reason I was bemoaning having sold logic5.5 was that it actually had all the features, I ever needed (plus some more). I was expecting podium to catch up and overtake it at some point in time. But now, comparing Logic5.5 with 1.97 (the version I’m now stuck with on w98), they are not on par and podium isn’t up front featurewise (ease of use is better in podium).
Actually right now, I remember why I sold Logic. I got so pissed off with that bloody dongle thing. So often I forgot to take it with me, when actually needing it on the laptop.
I’m not going to abandon podium. In the meantime I tried reaper on the xp-laptop and see no point in even testing it on w98 now, because I don’t feel like wanting to work with it. It has an excellent feature set, but does not feel right to me. (Might sound a bit esoteric, but I don’t feel as creative as in podium with reaper)
I think I will keep using podium for mobile use under xp on the laptop. …and if Frits manages to extend the whole syncing feature set to a complete and reliable master/slave MTC,SMPTE(LTC)+ “whatever-could-make-a-winxp_pc-work” with my bigger setup, I hopefully can integrate that laptop into the big home multi-pc setting at some point.
In the meantime everything else just stays as it is.
druidWhile it may not be obvious, energyXT 1.41 is capable of automating VST values in their native 32-bit resolution. It has to be done inside the sequencer though, you map a VST parameter to a CC, then when you assign an envelope track to that CC, you choose high instead of midi, on that envelope track. You will then control the parameter. It’s a bit weird I think, but you can do it.
PiginiIt has to be done inside the sequencer though, you map a VST parameter to a CC, then when you assign an envelope track to that CC, you choose high instead of midi, on that envelope track. You will then control the parameter.
yes, I know. By “assignable midi controllers only”, I didn’t mean the resolution, I meant it does not read out the plugin controller information right away. That’s a thing I find very comfy in podium. In energyxt1.4 I have to know or try what controller controls what or do midilearn in the plugin.
Zynewave@Pigini wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
I’ve just released Podium 1.99. It is still compiled with VS6, so Windows compatibility is unchanged.
I guess I got excited too early about the unchanged windows 98se compatibility.
I had no time for testing earlier, just installed podium 1.99 today, and it installs alright, but after leaving the project setup and actually starting the new arrangement I get a c++ runtime error ..application requested the runtime to terminate in an unusual way. 🙁
It would have been nice to have a bugfixed final win98 version, but well …
Looks like the new developer tool puts something in the code w98 just can’t handle. It’s the same error message I get with the newer Reaper versions (started testing them when the w98 compatibility thing came up for podium). They still claim to support w98, but must have changed teir developer tool too.
Podium 1.99 is not compiled with the new developer tool. It’s still made with VS6 as with all prior Podium versions. So I’m surprised that it doesn’t appear to work on W98 any more.
Zynewave@acousmod wrote:
Hi Pigini,
I’ve tried the latest build of Reaper on an old Pentium Tablet PC with Win98 and it works (slowly !) without any error.
I cannot tell you about Podium because the MSI installer didn’t work.
Perhaps is there something else in your config that causes the error ?
If you have the time, could you try to just copy the Podium.exe to the tablet and see if it runs? I am interested in knowing if W98 compatibility is broken, or it is something else that causes Podium to fail on Pigini’s W98 machine.
acousmodI’ve copied the 1.99 folder : Podium runs, I can create an arrangement but it gives me a Runtime Error when activating and freezes.
Pigini…so it’s the same as on my win98se (tested on 3 different comps btw).
1.99 gives the runtime error after starting an arrangement (It was all a fresh start, there were no leftovers from earlier versions or older projects or such.)
1.98 brought up the arrangement screen alright but froze when actually starting the engine.
Is there anything like a debug mode I could activate, like some line in the ini to give more detailed info?
Klemperer@Pigini wrote:
Yes, energyxt 1.41 is w98 compatible, I’m using it sometimes because of the multi arranger mode and the tempo automation with envelope, it does not sync with other comps though.
energyxt2.0 is not w98 compatible, but I would not want to use it anywhere anyway. Too buggy.
I never tried, but I can see no real advantage of running energyxt1.41 within podium.
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Hi, Pigini. Well I see your point of view. I just spoke about 1.41 because I use it myself inside Podium to get the features that are lacking in Podium. I don’t use XT2 too myself much, for example it is the first host I know of that lost a bunch of cool stuff from the older= 1.4 version, and indeed it is still very buggy, 1 3/4 years after release.
I like the Podium window, the automation and the bounce features really much, and understand that you find it just the better host for you:-). I would work with Podium as my main and only host if many things were implemented, and I can wait for them to be. As long as it is like it is, I use Reaper more and more these days, and it is a GOOD thing to own not only one host.
I might talk rubbish here, and apologize if it doesn’t sound right in the Zynewave forum, but as far as I know from bigger forums the race is now run concerning the many users that were searching for a new reliable host after the big XT2-disappointment. Reaper has won, and Reaper is a great host, for sure. My personal dream – but surely no priority for Frits or for the long-time users here – would be the way XT went – meaning you could load Podium as vsti inside another host. This would 100% lead to more sales for Frits, and people could use the wonderful possibilities of Podium inside another host of their choice. But that is leading away from your initial discussion, sorry:).
Dongles are something I hate, and thus I never had a dongle-product myself. The only one from Steinberg, for example, I use, is Xphraze, with a CD-copy protection system. Dongles or pace/Ilok, nothing of that kind led to fewer “crack-users”. I really am glad there are people like Frits who don’t give their software to people with “I mistrust you!” in mind. Those who mistrust users can’t avoid seeing so many of people steal their products, like they steal the taxes they have to pay in their country and put it to Switzerland or Liechtenstein or Monaco. It’s the same thought behind it, and is making developers angry with a reason, but no dongle made any change to this.
PiginiMy personal dream – but surely no priority for Frits or for the long-time users here – would be the way XT went – meaning you could load Podium as vsti inside another host.
Hey, that is actually a hell of a great idea! Sure it would not change much for the users here preferring Podium already, but I can imagine, it could create a considerable cashflow for Frits. …and that’s good for all of us, indirectly!
Dongles are something I hate, and thus I never had a dongle-product myself.
The only dongled soft on PC I ever had was Logic. Superb software, but really hated the dongle (not just abstractly hating the concept, I really quite often could not find that damn thing when i needed it). No dongles for me again.