Topic: Note’s hot spot

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  • November 11, 2010 at 18:35 #2433
    accordo
    Participant

    Working with Podium intensely for few days and things are getting there.

    One thing I like to ask about the Note’s hot spot (that’s the best way I can refer to and is where the cursor, in the pianoroll, changes in order to modify the note’s length).

    Is it possible to increase that area a bit at either end of the note?

    Right now it requires a certain amount of acuity because that area is very close to the ends and very narrow so that if you edit at fair speed you end up adding a note or missing the cursor’s state change.

    This should not effect the overall functions of the pianoroll.

    Thank you.

    November 11, 2010 at 18:51 #19794
    michi_mak
    Participant

    sorry to hijack, but this is why i prefer editing with keyboard shortcuts …

    November 11, 2010 at 19:16 #19795
    accordo
    Participant

    Hi michi,

    beside quantize I hardly see how I can manage with shortcuts on an improvisation that needs some polishing, or while writing a complex loop on the fly with the sound feedback and the mouse fine tuning the events at a fair speed not to loose the moment….

    That’s when the mouse is THE tool and trying to get the right spot on the note, based on several factor of screen size, zoom, space allocation of window, it’s not pleasent, which can make the pianoroll a little inefficient if such acuity is required when needed.

    I know you love shortcuts, and so do I!
    In Mulab there are custom shortcut for every command in the program but still that can’t help for the above circumstance. I am not comparing the two program, just making a point of clarification.

    I am migrating my work in Podium, tedious but it’s worth the effort.
    So, not looking back in that respect.

    A Mouse is a Mouse when things are designed for a Mouse 😉

    November 11, 2010 at 19:32 #19796
    michi_mak
    Participant

    selecting events with cursor keys left / right , transposing events with cursor keys up / down , applying swing / humanisation with shortcuts …

    ymmv

    ps : yes i do love keyboard short cuts 😆

    November 11, 2010 at 20:01 #19797
    accordo
    Participant

    I found my Twin Opposite! Just kidding.

    It’s probably a matter of styles. No one is right, but if I go through that protocol I loose it. All that, is avoidable with a macro adjustment of the sensitive spot on the note which would leave intact everything else without impacting other users but rather adding to them.

    I hardly believe that the very end of a note is used for anything but length adjustment and this would give more comfort to the more inclined to the use of mouse when the use of creativity needs to slowdown because of dexterity for keyboard’s inputs…

    This would leave your “style” intact but make more room for “other styles of composing” more or less.

    November 11, 2010 at 20:06 #19798
    michi_mak
    Participant

    😀

    sure verybody got his / her own style

    Podium should be THE tool for everybody 🙂

    November 11, 2010 at 21:26 #19800
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    @accordo wrote:

    Is it possible to increase that area a bit at either end of the note?

    I suggested some time ago that the resize are should be a bit inside the note area and a bit outside the note area. More area to resize the note inside itself would be detrimental: you couldn’t move small events easily because you should switch tools for that.

    November 11, 2010 at 21:39 #19801
    accordo
    Participant

    Correct. Small events ( I tend to have a lot of them) are difficult unless the zoom/pixel ratio is taken into consideration and/or the Wheel Zoom is active, in that case then is very fast.
    Zoom in, work and zoom out.

    November 13, 2010 at 15:40 #19811
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    I’ll consider extending the hot spot area in a future update to the note editor.

    November 14, 2010 at 02:37 #19818
    accordo
    Participant

    Thank you Frits.

    November 19, 2010 at 09:48 #19852
    H-man
    Participant

    @accordo wrote:

    Correct. Small events ( I tend to have a lot of them) are difficult unless the zoom/pixel ratio is taken into consideration and/or the Wheel Zoom is active, in that case then is very fast.
    Zoom in, work and zoom out.

    Hi accordo, have you tried the CTRL+SHIFT+ALT (Zoom X + Y) and SHIFT + ALT (Grab X + Y) panning yet?

    It may take a tiny bit of getting used to but the speed and control in the note editor is second to none. As stated in the past, I often find myself reaching for these keys in programs outside Podium …..I’m hooked.

    You can also CTRL + SHIFT + ALT and Mouse wheel for an even X + Y Zoom in & out.

    November 19, 2010 at 14:48 #19853
    accordo
    Participant

    Hi H-man,
    yes I tried them and that’s actually the reason for my post.
    A mouse is quite powerful if its functions are funneled to spacial actions without modifiers, it increases execution’s speed in the pianoroll where ideas are turned into music leaving the other hand available for the keyboard. We do the same thing on the piano: left hand on the keys, right hand pencil and paper very often, naturally.
    @H-man wrote:

    but the speed and control in the note editor is second to none.

    No quite but at the very very top though (In some respect, yes, way above the competition taken as an overall list of possibilities).

    Thank you for your input. I really like Podium and I hope that Frits will find the time to increase the user’s options for a more flexible mouse behavior. (I worked as a beta tester for another program in refining the mouse behavior and I know how many new users jumped in after this issue was resolved. It really impacts performance if you are inclined to write directly rather than via keyboard).

    Trust me, the rest of the program is more then I need, it’s beautiful and looks like it’s going to give the competition some hard time, already as it is….

    November 19, 2010 at 22:10 #19854
    H-man
    Participant

    @accordo wrote:

    Is it possible to increase that area a bit at either end of the note?

    After playing with this I’d say +1.

    The area just beyond the note event is where you instinctively attempt to grab it and at present the grab zone is a little skinny, and it seems biased the other way (over the note).

    November 19, 2010 at 22:30 #19855
    accordo
    Participant

    There is also another issue but it may be a bug.
    I’m going to add another post next week in order not to mix things.

    November 20, 2010 at 03:45 #19856
    accordo
    Participant

    @H-man wrote:

    The area just beyond the note event is where you instinctively attempt to grab it and at present the grab zone is a little skinny, and it seems biased the other way (over the note).

    Orion has one of the most comfortable hot spot feature available.
    It’s almost impossible to miss it. Unbelievably comfortable!

    The rest of the piano roll though, is quite outdated. V8 will be better.

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