Zynewave.
ZynewaveI’m working on some new shortcut keys for sliding and zooming in Podium 2.31. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far:
– Press Shift+Alt+ArrowKeys to slide.
– Press Alt+Home/End to slide to the start/end.
– Press Shift+Home/End to slide to the top/bottom.
– Press Home to slide the timeline to the current selection.
– Press End to slide vertically to the current selection.
– Press Ctrl+Shift+Alt+ArrowKeys to zoom in/out.
– Press Ctrl+Home to set timeline zoom to full range.
– Press Ctrl+End to set timeline zoom to the current selection.
– Press Ctrl+Shift+End to set vertical zoom to default.
The use of Shift+Ctrl+Alt combinations are the same shortcuts used for activating the mouse slide/zoom tools, so the benefit is that the mouse cursor changes according to what the arrow keys will do.
Is there some function I forgot in the new shortcuts?
Btw. the “Press End to slide vertically to the current selection” shortcut will be very useful in the piano roll editor, to quickly center the notes when changing to a sequence where the notes are outside the current zoom range.
I’ve got big plans for the PageUp and PageDown keys (perhaps coming in Podium 2.32), so that is why I haven’t used those for the navigation.
H-manThose suggestions look great.
One thing tho, kind of related and the above may resolve the issue for me but …the lack of any vertical lock on the navigator drives me nuts.
The navigator is potentially THE navigation tool for those of us that like to use the mouse only and I like the ‘macro’ view of the arrangement however panning with the navigator is more like a roller coaster than a quick pan.
Given the there appears to be no assignment for the right mouse button currently on the Navigator, could it assigned as panning with vertical lock (panning sideways that is)?
Also, IMHO the border around the view is too wide by half and it somehow doesn’t feel right when the top border disappears when panned to the top.
Other opinions welcome of course. Sorry if this is outside the scope for this thread…
Zynewave@H-man wrote:
One thing tho, kind of related and the above may resolve the issue for me but …the lack of any vertical lock on the navigator drives me nuts.
Are you aware that you can click above or below the zoom pane to start dragging with vertical lock?
If you didn’t know about this, then would you consider this sufficient?
H-man@Zynewave wrote:
@H-man wrote:
One thing tho, kind of related and the above may resolve the issue for me but …the lack of any vertical lock on the navigator drives me nuts.
Are you aware that you can click above or below the zoom pane to start dragging with vertical lock?
If you didn’t know about this, then would you consider this sufficient?
Ah fixed it already I see …that was quick 😉
Yep that is the behavior I was after, sorry for the bleating. 😳
I’m still a little puzzled by the vertical zoom behavior, panning to the top locks at the maximum viewable area (vertically) and panning to the bottom tightens the focus down to the bottom (last) track.
Maybe the right mouse button could lock the number of track zoomed vertically? Probably seem a bit odd to have to scroll to the bottom to reduce the number of track zoomed tho.
Thanks for the quick reply btw.
H-manOkay final suggestion on the navigator.
Right mouse button on the navigator invokes Zoom X/Y function for both the Track and Editor.
Thoughts?
Piginiugggh! that shortcut madness is giving me headaches again. quite a long walk to learn them all… is the palette thingy idea still on the table?
thcilnnahojHmm, I’d rather use the mouse (with the current modifier keys, or just the navigator) instead of having both hands on the keyboard to do these things.
I don’t see myself using any of those shortcuts, to be honest.
…Apart from this one! 😀
– Press Ctrl+End to set timeline zoom to the current selection
LiquidProj3ctMe too thcilnnahoj, i’m too comfortable with my right hand in the mouse and my left hand in the keyboard and switching them would be a lose of time and workflow.
So i dont think i use them unless in a close future we can use Podium as an old tracker (as Renoise) where you can draw events with keyboard as an alternative.
What would be cool for this update is an editor option that center it vertically each time you open the editor.
Malcolm Jacobson@thcilnnahoj wrote:
Hmm, I’d rather use the mouse (with the current modifier keys, or just the navigator) instead of having both hands on the keyboard to do these things.
I don’t see myself using any of those shortcuts, to be honest.
Same here.
The list of shortcuts
http://www.zynewave.com/wiki/doku.php?id=guide:key_shortcuts
is getting really long, but there’s no editor for them. I’d really like the option to be able to map the shortcuts to the keys of my choosing, especially if the list is going to continue to grow.
Cheers,
Malcolm.
ZynewaveLet me put the suggested key shortcuts into perspective, by listing the new arrangement edit menu commands (with shortcuts) I’m planning to do later on:
Snap to the Left (Shift+Left)
Snap to the Right (Shift+Right)
Nudge to the Left (Ctrl+Left) (already implemented)
Nudge to the Right (Ctrl+Right) (already implemented)
Shuffle to the Left (Alt+Left)
Shuffle to the Right (Alt+Right)
Move to Previous Track (Ctrl+Up)
Move to Next Track (Ctrl+Down)
And for the piano roll, drum map, curve and sound editors (both embedded and window):
Go To Sequence on Previous Track (PageUp)
Go To Sequence on Next Track (PageDown)
Go To Sequence on Parent Track (Shift+PageUp)
Go To Sequence on Child Track (Shift+PageDown)
While working this out, I was considering electronica music genres, where you often construct the song by laying out repeated patterns, with fill patterns injected at various places. With these new key shortcuts, users that work in this genre can quickly lay out the foundation of the entire song using only the keyboard.
The “snap to the …” commands will move selected events so that they join either the previous or next event on the track. If the edit cursor is placed before the previous/next event, then it will snap to the edit cursor (both start and end of events). As an example, this can be used to align the end of a reverse cymbal sound to the start of a bar.
The “shuffle…” commands will reorder events on the track, so if you have a fill pattern in the middle of a line of repeated patternes, you can quickly move the fill pattern left/right without having to manually move both patterns that should swap places.
The “Go To Sequence…” commands will be a very convenient way to quickly navigate among the sequences that are playing in the part of the timeline you are currently zoomed in on. It supplements the sequence switching shortcut of Alt+Clicking ghost notes in the piano roll. The PageUp/PageDown commands will switch only between sequences on the same group level. If you want to edit parameter tracks of the sequence you are currently showing, then you press Shift+PageDown.
Is this all too much?
I’ve browsed the documentation of some other hosts, and they all support edit commands similar to the snap, nudge and shuffle commands.
Personally I’m looking forward to having the PageUp/PageDown shortcuts. These will be useful in any kind of music genre.
H-manI think it sounds cool. Like a big keyboard based pattern arranger.
Love it or not it is in no way detrimental to current behavior/functionality.
LiquidProj3ctTo be honest, prior to meet Podium I used similar keys in another hosts to mangle boring arpeggios or melodies
The Alt-Click on a ghost note is one of the wonderful features of Podium 😉 I say this because I don’t understand very well how it can be supplemented.
I was considering electronica music genres, where you often construct the song by laying out repeated patterns, with fill patterns injected at various places. With these new key shortcuts, users that work in this genre can quickly lay out the foundation of the entire song using only the keyboard.
It seems too many work learn all those shortcuts, but maybe it deserves try it, because without try them I’m not sure about the quote
Zynewave@Pigini wrote:
ugggh! that shortcut madness is giving me headaches again. quite a long walk to learn them all…
The new shortcuts are using keys not used previously, and they are not changing the existing behaviour.
Is the problem that you’d like to use key shortcuts for the functions listed, but the shortcuts I’ve chosen are difficult?
Or is it a problem that the shortcuts exist even if you don’t intend to use them? Perhaps you have concerns that you accidentally activate the shortcuts.
is the palette thingy idea still on the table?
Apart from your response in that other topic, I did not detect a lot of enthusiasm about my suggestion, so I’ll probably only start experimenting with it once I get a touch-screen PC.
Zynewave@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
The Alt-Click on a ghost note is one of the wonderful features of Podium 😉 I say this because I don’t understand very well how it can be supplemented.
With “supplement” i meant that the new PageUp/PageDown shortcuts is an alternative way to switch between sequences. The Alt+Click of ghost notes will still work as it always have.
Pigini@Zynewave wrote:
The new shortcuts are using keys not used previously, and they are not changing the existing behaviour.
Is the problem that you’d like to use key shortcuts for the functions listed, but the shortcuts I’ve chosen are difficult?
Or is it a problem that the shortcuts exist even if you don’t intend to use them? Perhaps you have concerns that you accidentally activate the shortcuts.
I use podium mostly on my tablet, where keyboard shortcuts just fail to deliver what they are intended for.
And even on a desktop, I would just prefer a shortcut-editor for assigning them freely in a way I’m used to from previous apps. Otherwise I just get it all mixed and don’t know what is what anymore.
@Zynewave wrote:
is the palette thingy idea still on the table?
Apart from your response in that other topic, I did not detect a lot of enthusiasm about my suggestion, so I’ll probably only start experimenting with it once I get a touch-screen PC.
Sorry my response to it came a bit late. I’m currently trying to improve the all around quality of my life by staying away from all media including the internet.
A tablet-friendly ui in a daw presently really is a gap in the market. Your palette idea is so good, I would not wonder to see something like it on the ipad soon, with “a patented by Apple”-label on it. And even for non-tablet use it would make a great intuitive self explanatory user interface for users who don’t want to learn a long list of shortcuts before unlocking the whole potential of an app.