.@Zynewave wrote:
Beta2 is up:
• A note sequence can now be shown in the drum map editor without having to create drum kit presets. The drum map will default to showing GM2 drum key names. The View menu in the editor lists both piano roll and drum map profiles. The selected profile type is remembered for each track.
Thanks for looking into this Frits. However I cannot find the Piano Roll and Drum Map profiles in the View Menu in the editor. What am I doing wrong? :-k
@Conquistador wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
Beta2 is up:
• A note sequence can now be shown in the drum map editor without having to create drum kit presets. The drum map will default to showing GM2 drum key names. The View menu in the editor lists both piano roll and drum map profiles. The selected profile type is remembered for each track.
Thanks for looking into this Frits. However I cannot find the Piano Roll and Drum Map profiles in the View Menu in the editor. What am I doing wrong? :-k
The two “Timeline” profiles you have in your screenshot are the piano-roll and drum-map. In previous versions these profiles were never listed in the same menu, so that’s why they don’t have the editor type in the profile name. In the latest beta I have extended these profile names to “Piano Roll – Timeline” and “Drum Map – Timeline”. Use the “restore default editor profiles” setup command to get the new names.
Ok thanks got it now, the dual “timeline” “timeline” commands confused me.
Now that your developers mouse cursor is hovering over drum maps 🙂 could you add the following functionality please…
1. Allow unused notes to be hidden by default? At the top and bottom of a list of drum note names is a list of notes that really should be hidden….
2. When using 5 or 6 drum lanes / notes it would be much easier to hide drum note names that are not being used. So all you see is the notes being used. Just 5 o 6 in this example. Ableton Live for instance has a fold button that will hide all rows that do not contain MIDI notes….
3. Mute Solo for drum note lanes as well please?
@Conquistador wrote:
1. Allow unused notes to be hidden by default? At the top and bottom of a list of drum note names is a list of notes that really should be hidden….
I wanted the default map to include all 128 notes, in case you have a specialized drum map that goes beyond the GM convention. Or even if you just switch to the drum map for a regular note sequence, for specific editing.
2. When using 5 or 6 drum lanes / notes it would be much easier to hide drum note names that are not being used. So all you see is the notes being used. Just 5 o 6 in this example.
How should Podium know which ones you want to use? When you start out with an empty sequence, it can’t hide all drum lines. For specific drum map layouts, the way to do it is still with drum kit presets, where you can arrange the keys any way you like. I’m going to improve that feature as well, so that you don’t have to do it the old way.
3. Mute Solo for drum note lanes as well please?
LiquidProj3ct suggested this too. How should this work:
Should the note mute/solo work like the track mute/solo in the mixer? In other words, what should the mute/solo information be attached to? If the mute/solo state is a property of the track, then all sequences on the track will play with that mute/solo state. Switching back to a piano-roll editor, should then reset the solo/mute states I assume, or else you could get confusing situations where some notes in your piano-roll mysteriously is not playing.
Edit: Ok, I see you added some info to your post about the “fold” button. I’ll consider that. What happens in Live when you remove the last event on a drum line: Does the line automatically disappear, or do you have to press “Fold” again?
@Zynewave wrote:
@Conquistador wrote:
1. Allow unused notes to be hidden by default? At the top and bottom of a list of drum note names is a list of notes that really should be hidden….
I wanted the default map to include all 128 notes, in case you have a specialized drum map that goes beyond the GM convention. Or even if you just switch to the drum map for a regular note sequence, for specific editing.
2. When using 5 or 6 drum lanes / notes it would be much easier to hide drum note names that are not being used. So all you see is the notes being used. Just 5 o 6 in this example.
How should Podium know which ones you want to use? When you start out with an empty sequence, it can’t hide all drum lines. For specific drum map layouts, the way to do it is still with drum kit presets, where you can arrange the keys any way you like. I’m going to improve that feature as well, so that you don’t have to do it the old way.
I suggested here that notes in drum roll should be used as tracks in arrangement view [added and templates=presets]. Maybe you could create a “ghost” preset for each track in drum mode. I find that’s a mess use lots of notes when you only want few.
Please allow customization too, at least name and note to be played without go to the “dark corner” to edit them.
Should the note mute/solo work like the track mute/solo in the mixer? In other words, what should the mute/solo information be attached to? If the mute/solo state is a property of the track, then all sequences on the track will play with that mute/solo state. Switching back to a piano-roll editor, should then reset the solo/mute states I assume, or else you could get confusing situations where some notes in your piano-roll mysteriously is not playing.
I understand that if a user is doing music he must be enough intelligent to know this 🙂 Anyway you could use semitransparent mute/solos in the track when some of their notes are muted or soloed, I think it will help
edit: if you find to hard to program one preset for each track you could also hide notes in the same way we do with plugin parameters nowadays.
@Zynewave wrote:
LiquidProj3ct suggested this too. How should this work:
Should the note mute/solo work like the track mute/solo in the mixer? In other words, what should the mute/solo information be attached to? If the mute/solo state is a property of the track, then all sequences on the track will play with that mute/solo state. Switching back to a piano-roll editor, should then reset the solo/mute states I assume, or else you could get confusing situations where some notes in your piano-roll mysteriously is not playing.
Mute / Solo for drum rows (Kick Snare e.t.c) could work this way…
1. If you click on a MIDI track and it has three drum MIDI parts /events, and then you click on the Tracks Mute button the whole track and all parts of the MIDI events on the track are Muted as expected.
2. Using the Drum row Mute Solo buttons would solo or mute a single row within a drum MIDI event. So if I had snare and kick notes inside a MIDI event but then used the Kick row Mute button….
… that would mute the Kick notes within that MIDI event.
3. If the Track is already Muted then that should overide the drum row lane Mute / Solo controls to avoid confusion.
Edit: Ok, I see you added some info to your post about the “fold” button. I’ll consider that. What happens in Live when you remove the last event on a drum line: Does the line automatically disappear, or do you have to press “Fold” again?
I have to press Fold again.
This is the description Ableton have for the function…
An important feature of the MIDI Editor is the Fold button, located in the upper left corner.
Activating this button will immediately hide all rows, or key tracks, that do not contain MIDI
notes in any clips in the track. This is very useful when working with percussion kits, for
example, which are oftentimes mapped out along a keyboard in sections corresponding
to percussion type (e.g., snares grouped together two octaves down from hi-hat cymbals,
etc.). When working with a MIDI _le created by such a mapping, sometimes only one or two
of each type of percussion sound is used, and it becomes unnecessary to view the entire
keyboard range.
The Fold Button Extracts
Key Tracks Containing
Notes.
@Conquistador wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
LiquidProj3ct suggested this too. How should this work:
Should the note mute/solo work like the track mute/solo in the mixer? In other words, what should the mute/solo information be attached to? If the mute/solo state is a property of the track, then all sequences on the track will play with that mute/solo state. Switching back to a piano-roll editor, should then reset the solo/mute states I assume, or else you could get confusing situations where some notes in your piano-roll mysteriously is not playing.
Mute / Solo for drum rows (Kick Snare e.t.c) could work this way…
1. If you click on a MIDI track and it has three drum MIDI parts /events, and then you click on the Tracks Mute button the whole track and all parts of the MIDI events on the track are Muted as expected.
2. Using the Drum row Mute Solo buttons would solo or mute a single row within a drum MIDI event. So if I had snare and kick notes inside a MIDI event but then used the Kick row Mute button….
… that would mute the Kick notes within that MIDI event.
3. If the Track is already Muted then that should overide the drum row lane Mute / Solo controls to avoid confusion.
Ok, then the mute/solo state are properties of the note sequence object. Is this preferrable over having them properties of the track? And why?
