Topic: Preview 2.31: Slide/zoom key shortcuts

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May 30, 2010 at 17:39 #18348

Zynewave
Keymaster

@LiquidProj3ct wrote:

Drumazon is a plugin that allow you use patterns OR simple drums. The different pitches (piano roll keys) acts as patterns OR simple drums.

You cannot change easily the drums names (you can use some black magic to do it, though) but it’s easy change the name of each pattern for each key (and move/copy them). I did this video for you. Notice if you have demo version you cannot use single drums, only patterns, but it will serve you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ws1mUj5lI

Very poor quality, I’m newbie doing videos 😳 If you need more clarifications feel free to ask

“hello frits”

Thanks. I’ll try the demo.

May 31, 2010 at 14:28 #18357

thcilnnahoj
Participant

Okay, AD doesn’t pass along note names to the host at all, which is a shame.
So I’ll have to make use of the drum kit preset thingy, once it becomes less obfuscated. 😉

*Ahem* I was also thinking, since the tool selection shortcuts are omitted now by default, the RMB’s functionality has been ever so slightly reduced to near zero in most editors, if I dare say so. Maybe it’s time for the a-tool-per-button concept to emerge soon? O:)

Liquid, that looks like a great start into “videomakership.” 🙂 Mind if I ask which program you use to record that lets you zoom like that?

May 31, 2010 at 16:24 #18358

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

@thcilnnahoj wrote:

*Ahem* I was also thinking, since the tool selection shortcuts are omitted now by default, the RMB’s functionality has been ever so slightly reduced to near zero in most editors, if I dare say so. Maybe it’s time for the a-tool-per-button concept to emerge soon? O:)

Yes, I agree with this one

Liquid, that looks like a great start into “videomakership.” 🙂 Mind if I ask which program you use to record that lets you zoom like that?

You never will know it muhhahahacamtasiahahaha 😀
I started to do some small tutorials about Podium in my youtube page [user LiquidProj3ct]. I hope there aren’t too many errurs wiht mi englysh 🙂

June 1, 2010 at 01:44 #18363

Zynewave
Keymaster

Beta6 is up:

Made some changes to the button layout in the left side panel of the editors.

Added audition on/off button to the piano roll and drum map regions.

Added the grid button panel from the piano roll to the drum map region as well.

June 1, 2010 at 05:04 #18364

thcilnnahoj
Participant

Seems the button size changed again. I’m at the point of using six “stretch button” elements now. Hopefully there are no side effects to using that many at once. 😆

Need to give some critique on beta 6:

– The grid button panel in the default setup doesn’t fit on my screen with 1080px resolution, especially in the drum editor. Did you contemplate splitting the options an grid buttons into two colums when there’s not enough space? Both the (embedded) note and drum editor would have enough free space (unless you named your drums “Big Fat Juicy Snare Drum With More Cowbell”). :-k

– The velocity buttons – I think I remember them switching from vertical to horizontal alignment when the region got too small some versions ago. This is indispensable, in my opinion.

June 2, 2010 at 01:57 #18371

Zynewave
Keymaster

Beta7:

Some UI adjustments and bug fixes.

The drum map enable/solo/mute is now added to the undo history.

The note audition will stop when the mouse is released.

I’ve given the drum kit preset feature some thought:

I developed the current drum kit preset feature many years ago, back when the focus was external MIDI modules and their proprietary ways of handling drums. Fortunately it has become much easier to work with drum plugins. I think it is time to retire the drum kit preset feature completely, and implement a simpler solution for reordering and renaming drum keys in the drum map editor.

Instead of having the drum maps in the project file, the drum maps could be stored in the global setup. One solution could be to include all drum maps in the Podium.ini file, but this means you would lose all the drum maps if you select the “restore default setup” command. A more advanced solution could be to have each drum map as a separate .ini file in a new “Drum Maps” folder, similar to how the color setup files are handled.

The drum map editor menu will then have a submenu for selecting between the drum map files found, along with commands such as “create new drum map” etc.

Comments?

June 2, 2010 at 05:05 #18373

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

I cannot see any drawback in having each drummap in its own ini file. You can share them even.

Anyway I cannot do “restore default setup” because I’ve created my own profiles and I’d lose them, is there any way of save them and import them later? Maybe copy and paste from the ini file?

June 2, 2010 at 06:51 #18374

thcilnnahoj
Participant

Easier handling of drum maps? Absolutely. 8)
Also thanks for the UI adjustments.

To save your setup, use the “Save Setup” command below “Save/Load Color Setup”. This will save all editor profiles along with hardware settings. The only thing that goes missing sometimes (for me) is the recent projects list…

June 2, 2010 at 07:03 #18375

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

Yes but i cannot import later a single profile, can I? If i only can save/load all it wont be very useful with podium updates since you must remake your profile from scrtach to take advantage of the new changes

June 2, 2010 at 11:28 #18376

thcilnnahoj
Participant

Oh, that’s what you meant. Mmh… that’s true.

It still bugs me that when I rearrange the transport buttons, I have to change this in three profiles… Though I can see how you might want a different layout of things for, e.g., the mixer.
I think we’ll have to live with these disadvantages. 😉

June 2, 2010 at 11:38 #18377

Trancit
Participant

@Zynewave wrote:

Beta7:

Some UI adjustments and bug fixes.

The drum map enable/solo/mute is now added to the undo history.

The note audition will stop when the mouse is released.

I’ve given the drum kit preset feature some thought:

I developed the current drum kit preset feature many years ago, back when the focus was external MIDI modules and their proprietary ways of handling drums. Fortunately it has become much easier to work with drum plugins. I think it is time to retire the drum kit preset feature completely, and implement a simpler solution for reordering and renaming drum keys in the drum map editor.

Instead of having the drum maps in the project file, the drum maps could be stored in the global setup. One solution could be to include all drum maps in the Podium.ini file, but this means you would lose all the drum maps if you select the “restore default setup” command. A more advanced solution could be to have each drum map as a separate .ini file in a new “Drum Maps” folder, similar to how the color setup files are handled.

The drum map editor menu will then have a submenu for selecting between the drum map files found, along with commands such as “create new drum map” etc.

Comments?

A very elegant way I think, is the integration in the piano roll editor and to be able to switch via the “View” menu between the classic piano roll and the drum editor…the best integration at the moment is in Reaper, imho.
To be able to store the drum maps as seperate ini files is very wellcome here, too.

Trancit

Trancit

June 2, 2010 at 11:51 #18378

Zynewave
Keymaster

@Trancit wrote:

A very elegant way I think, is the integration in the piano roll editor and to be able to switch via the “View” menu between the classic piano roll and the drum editor…the best integration at the moment is in Reaper, imho.

Is there anything in Reapers drum map handling that you prefer over the changes I’m currently making? If you want Podium to improve, you’ll need to give me some more details.

June 2, 2010 at 13:35 #18379

Zynewave
Keymaster

Some more thoughts:

I’m considering dropping my previous idea about global drum map files, and instead store any customized key names directly in the track properties, similar to how the note enable/solo/mute state is stored. Thus if you save a track template with your drum plugin, the imported track will automatically have the customized key names. No need for messing with drum map selection etc. The copy/paste commands in the drum map menu will also include the note names.

I also intend to implement the custom note naming in the piano roll. This will be particularly useful when you for example work with large sample based instruments that support key switches for selecting different articulations. You could name the keyswitches in the piano roll with “Legato”, “Pizzicato” etc. so that they match the key switches used in the sampler. A custom color option here would probably also be useful, in the case that you are zoomed so far out that there is no room for writing the note name on the black/white keys.

Am I getting colder or warmer? 😉

June 2, 2010 at 13:50 #18380

Conquistador
Participant

@Zynewave wrote:

@Trancit wrote:

A very elegant way I think, is the integration in the piano roll editor and to be able to switch via the “View” menu between the classic piano roll and the drum editor…the best integration at the moment is in Reaper, imho.

Is there anything in Reapers drum map handling that you prefer over the changes I’m currently making? If you want Podium to improve, you’ll need to give me some more details.

I don’t use Reaper so I personally cannot say but after a quick check maybe Trancit is referring to this menu in Reaper?

Maybe the modes (which are similar to the Editor Profile timelines in 2.31) which seems unlikely or maybe the Rectangle and Velocity options in that screen shot which would be nice to have.

But I guess Trancit can confirm or deny 🙂

Am I getting colder or warmer? 😉

Freezing 😯

Nah just kidding 😛

I like those ideas personally, the tie in with track templates makes sense and custom note naming looks equally useful.

Quick reminder though…

Please do add some kind of highlighting to the drum rows. Or a horizontal highlight when a drum row is selected. Currently a note or all notes on a row will be highlighted but the drum row to the left where the name is currently is not.

June 2, 2010 at 14:22 #18382

Conquistador
Participant

Here are some screen shots of those modes…with velocity values on the notes..

Triangles

Diamonds

Standard blocks…

Different shapes
Definitely something I would like to see in Podium after a quick play with it in Reaper.

Velocity values
I quite like the velocity values on the notes. Just drag the handle to adjust. But on the notes not beside them IMO. I see no harm in offering a choice between the two, like Reaper does though. I also like Podiums existing visual vertical resizing of drum notes (to reflect velocity changes) a lot , so I don’t want to lose that. Velocity values on drum notes would be something in addition to what we have already.

Highlighting
The horizontal highlighting would be similar to that in the images but it would include the drum row name on the far left (not necessarily the same colour) as more subtle standard highlighting (found elsewhere in Podium) would be fine for the drum row names but a simple horizontal band / highlight across the notes in a drum row that is the same colour as the tracks designated colour would help.