Zynewave.
thcilnnahojWhew, how come it’s suddenly so hot in here! 😆
Little drum editor bug:
When the option buttons and the grid button panel are in separate columns, the GBP suddenly becomes top-aligned when switching to note enable mode, and is reset to be middle-aligned when you exit the mode or enable/disable a note.
The GBP also becomes top-aligned when you resize the velocity region, unlike when in note enable mode, where it stays in the middle.
LiquidProj3ct@Zynewave wrote:
I’m considering dropping my previous idea about global drum map files, and instead store any customized key names directly in the track properties, similar to how the note enable/solo/mute state is stored. Thus if you save a track template with your drum plugin, the imported track will automatically have the customized key names. No need for messing with drum map selection etc. The copy/paste commands in the drum map menu will also include the note names.
That’s a good idea, and I like more that previous one. Just make sure that you can manually rename drums keys and import them from plugin, please.
@Zynewave wrote:
I also intend to implement the custom note naming in the piano roll.
Personally I don’t find it too appealing.
About Reaper “drum roll”: I don’t like it. The different view settings you use are for each clip and that’s messy, not per track. Triangles and diamonds seems cheesy and antiquated, you cannot define note lenght and they’re difficult to click, and you couldn’t use the change of height that Podium do to different velocities. The velocity for each drum is a little uncomfortable when you want to tweak quicky timmings and velocities. I love Podium approach instead: You select notes and you can change its velocity (and only it’s velocity if you have “Edit only selected event” button on.
I love the way Frits is making the drum editor and I don’t miss anything from other hosts. This is the faster and more intuitive drumroll I know.
This is just a personal opinion, of course 😉
@Conquistador wrote:
Quick reminder though…
Please do add some kind of highlighting to the drum rows. Or a horizontal highlight when a drum row is selected. Currently a note or all notes on a row will be highlighted but the drum row to the left where the name is currently is not.
I like this request a lot
ZynewaveBeta8 is up. If the plugin supports custom key names, they are now shown instead of the default GM key names in the drum map. It should also automatically update the names if they are changed in the plugin. Of all the plugins I have installed, I only found that the Drumazon demo supported this. Let me know if you find any plugins that you know should support this, yet doesn’t show its custom key names in the drum map editor.
LiquidProj3ctDrumazon, Nithonat and Nepheton update their names in Podium 🙂 It fails with Phoscyon, but Phoscyon fail too with other host, so I think it’s a problem of the plugin.
Poise fails with Poise, podium don’t extract the names even. Reaper does it.
Thank for the update 🙂
kyran@Zynewave wrote:
Some more thoughts:
I’m considering dropping my previous idea about global drum map files, and instead store any customized key names directly in the track properties, similar to how the note enable/solo/mute state is stored. Thus if you save a track template with your drum plugin, the imported track will automatically have the customized key names. No need for messing with drum map selection etc. The copy/paste commands in the drum map menu will also include the note names.
I also intend to implement the custom note naming in the piano roll. This will be particularly useful when you for example work with large sample based instruments that support key switches for selecting different articulations. You could name the keyswitches in the piano roll with “Legato”, “Pizzicato” etc. so that they match the key switches used in the sampler. A custom color option here would probably also be useful, in the case that you are zoomed so far out that there is no room for writing the note name on the black/white keys.
Am I getting colder or warmer? 😉
Definitely warmer 🙂
Trancit@Zynewave wrote:
@Trancit wrote:
A very elegant way I think, is the integration in the piano roll editor and to be able to switch via the “View” menu between the classic piano roll and the drum editor…the best integration at the moment is in Reaper, imho.
Is there anything in Reapers drum map handling that you prefer over the changes I’m currently making? If you want Podium to improve, you’ll need to give me some more details.
The first parts, of what Reaper does quite well are already explained by the added pictures of my “helpers” :-)…
In the same editor you can choose between the shapes of the events and by the “view” menu, which editor you like to use, while “named notes” together with Diamonds shape the matching part to an conventionell drum editor is…for me it is easier, if I don´t have to define before, if this track is now a drum track or not
For me the most important thing is:
(you´ve already told, that you like this 🙂 )You can even in the normal piano roll just right doubleclicking a note on the onscreen keyboard and enter a name for it, like Kick, OHH or so on…and can build drummaps on the fly (all this works in the named notes view as well) and one of my highlights:
You can save these named notes as a simple textfile and re import any time later…
Next thing is the “Hide unused note rows” and “Hide unused and unnamed note rows”…both very usefull
One more: Velocity handles on the events
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
About Reaper “drum roll”: I don’t like it. The different view settings you use are for each clip and that’s messy, not per track. Triangles and diamonds seems cheesy and antiquated, you cannot define note lenght and they’re difficult to click, and you couldn’t use the change of height that Podium do to different velocities. The velocity for each drum is a little uncomfortable when you want to tweak quicky timmings and velocities. I love Podium approach instead: You select notes and you can change its velocity (and only it’s velocity if you have “Edit only selected event” button on.
That you cannot change the note length is the trick, if working on drumnotes…mostly you don´t want to change them and with these different shapes you don´t have to care about this…
But I have to say, that different shape events are for me not important…
The three main features I like to work with:
1. To be able to work in one editor on different “types” drums and “normal ones” just by switching the view.
2. Naming notes directly in the editor
3. To be able to hide unwanted rows
Trancit
Zynewave@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
Drumazon, Nithonat and Nepheton update their names in Podium 🙂 It fails with Phoscyon, but Phoscyon fail too with other host, so I think it’s a problem of the plugin.
Poise fails with Poise, podium don’t extract the names even. Reaper does it.
Beta9 is uploaded, which works with Poise. Unfortunately Poise does not notify the host when the pad/key names change, so you will need to close and reopen the drum map editor to make Podium retrieve the updated key names. I’ve sent an email to the Poise developer about this, so perhaps a future Poise update will support it.
thcilnnahojThe GBP top-align bug seems to be fixed in beta 8. Here’s another one, though:
– It’s aligned to the middle position of any visible drum key lanes instead of the whole editor’s height. Just deselect all but one key and it’ll be top-aligned.
– The tool shortcuts still appear in the sound editor right-click menu.
– A super tiny one: The octave text on the keys overlaps the GBP region when the keys region is resized all the way to the left. Previously, the GBP disappeared when the keys region was resized this much.
LiquidProj3ctthanks Frits. A question, do you need to program for each plugin this the ability of retrieve names? It’s weird
ZynewaveAnother idea I’m considering:
The piano roll and drum map regions share a lot of functionality, so I’m considering removing the drum map region completely, and instead make the “piano roll” region into a “note” region, which will combine the two regions into one. Some of the latest updates to the piano roll have not made it into the drum map editor, and so combining them will ensure that the event editing is similar in both the piano roll and drum map mode.
So, instead of selecting between the “piano roll” and “drum map” editor profiles, there will be one profile, and you then have a “enable drum map” option in the menu button (as introduced in the new drum map region), which will toggle between the piano roll and drum map layout.
Good/bad idea?
LiquidProj3ctConsistency = always a good idea. I like it a lot 🙂
Zynewave@thcilnnahoj wrote:
The GBP top-align bug seems to be fixed in beta 8. Here’s another one, though:
– It’s aligned to the middle position of any visible drum key lanes instead of the whole editor’s height. Just deselect all but one key and it’ll be top-aligned.
That’s on purpose. It will do that in the piano roll as well (if you zoom out and have a big vertical pixel resolution). My intention was to align it as close as possible to the event lines. Would it be less confusing if the panel was always top aligned?
LiquidProj3ctSimple request: if you combine Piano and Drum Roll, please make sure you can have a very close vertical zoom (as you can do now in the beta9 drum roll, I use it to the maximun always). I’d love use big ‘dots’ (events) for Drum Roll because it gives me a step sequencer feeling.
Zynewave@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
A question, do you need to program for each plugin this the ability of retrieve names? It’s weird
No. Poise was just returning that it did not support key names for the current program, when Podium requested the name for note #0. I’m now ignoring that return value and continue to request names for all keys. Perhaps there are other plugins that behave this way.
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
Good/bad idea?
Good. Very good IMO.
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
Simple request: if you combine Piano and Drum Roll, please make sure you can have a very close vertical zoom (as you can do now in the beta9 drum roll, I use it to the maximun always). I’d love use big ‘dots’ (events) for Drum Roll because it gives me a step sequencer feeling.
Yes please. Lets not lose the higher zoom level.