Topic: Stopping playback resets automation reading?

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  • April 6, 2010 at 16:59 #2182
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    Unless I’m doing something wrong, any automation ‘fader’ level seems to be reset upon stopping playback. Don’t know how to describe it better, so here’re two examples:

    Ex. 1: I have a reverb assigned to a bus return track. I only bring up the level for a few passages in a song by using level automation – normally, it’s set to -inf. Every time I stop playback I get a burst of reverb.

    Ex. 2: Even simpler… At the start of an arrangement, turn the master track’s level down using level automation. Then play a MIDI event using a synthesizer sound with long release, and stop playback at any time – the level should reset.

    April 6, 2010 at 22:06 #17830
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    Does it change behaviour if you toggle the “link edit cursor to play cursor” mode?

    April 7, 2010 at 15:52 #17847
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    No… neither does it matter where exactly I start or stop playback.

    It’s like there’s an extra automation point that can’t be edited at bar 1, and stopping always returns the faders to this point’s value (though not visibly, so it would probably be a bug), which would be the default value, I guess.

    Should I prepare a video? It’s easy to reproduce, though.

    April 10, 2010 at 00:49 #17851
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Should I prepare a video? It’s easy to reproduce, though.

    I’ll get back to you about that, once I find time to test this.

    September 6, 2010 at 15:56 #19418
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    It’s like there’s an extra automation point that can’t be edited at bar 1, and stopping always returns the faders to this point’s value (though not visibly, so it would probably be a bug), which would be the default value, I guess.

    Err… I totally misinterpreted this when I first noticed it! The fact of the matter is that Podium doesn’t read automation at all when stopped, so the level and send level return to their normal values set by the faders.

    This is actually quite irritating…

    I guess one solution would be to force reading the automation data at the edit cursor when stopped, or the data at the point where playback stopped (if you haven’t yet moved the cursor). Another would be to make it possible to create positive value offsets in level and send curves, which probably would take a lot of work. 🙁

    Edit: Posi, not nega… oh my. #-o

    September 8, 2010 at 03:29 #19429
    druid
    Participant

    This has been mentioned before, but I couldn’t find the thread. Originally, when there were no automation clips, it would also reset the value to the “default” position, which can be set up. Now, I believe it scans for the previous value? But still, when you stop playback, it will reset position.

    I personally prefer how other hosts do it, and when a value is adjusted, it just stays there, but if I recall, there was a reason it was left this way.

    Anyway, just thought I’d mention that it was brought up previously!

    September 9, 2010 at 21:51 #19438
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    Hmm, I think that was a different issue, actually. I don’t think it has to do with automation values resetting…

    The problem here is that no automation is read when playback is not active, which means that the values that are set for Podium mixer parameters via automation are ignored.

    This is a hindrance when you have, e.g., a drum track with send level automation that keeps the level at -inf, and only raises it once or twice during a song. Since you can only decrease the level and send level with automation, this seems like the only way to do it, unfortunately…

    So now you can’t preview the drum sounds in stopped mode without hearing the return track, even when the edit cursor is at a position where send level should be turned off.

    You could probably control the level of the effect on the send track, but not all plug-ins allow this, and it makes level/send level automation a little less useful, all in all. 🙁

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