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xis23How long do you think it will be until this feature will be implemented? At current the only way to do this is to export the audio files then pitch them up or down in an external editor. This is quite a simple thing I think, it only gets complicated when you start incorporating time-stretching/time preservation.
LiquidProj3ctI would say this is a stupid reply since you’ll know this and you’ll need quality as zplane… but, for some pitch-shift task, did you tried native zPitch?
xis23Yeaah it’s cool for sketching things out… Mainly I think the pitch shifting need is just a work flow thing, like it’s nice seeing samples dropped and pitched straight in the arrangement window than triggering them in a sampler, or editing them externally. I’m sure whenever this is incorporated into podium it will be as well thought out, straight forward and quick as other features.
ZynewaveI don’t know when I’ll have this implemented. My development focus recently shifted towards improving and simplifying the existing featureset, which will occupy me for the next 2-3 months.
LiquidProj3ctWithout any intention of understimate xis23 request, work in the workflow is a wise decision
UncleAgeFrits, is zplane one of the alternatives that you have considered? I for one would be willing to throw a bit more do-re-mi in the pot for something like this
http://www.zplane.de/index.php?page=licensing#lic-licmodels
that would add pitch shifting as well as time-stretching capabilities to Podium.
And from that page…
“licensing models
-annual license fee payment
-one-time license fee payment
We are also open to discuss royalty-based payments or other options.”
kyranI wouldn’t mind paying something extra to get timestretch support.
It all depends on how much zplane asks for it I guess.
LiquidProj3ctI’d help too.
Zynewave@UncleAge wrote:
Frits, is zplane one of the alternatives that you have considered? I for one would be willing to throw a bit more do-re-mi in the pot for something like this
Last time I had contact with zplane, they listed an annual license fee of about 3000 US$. That’s a lot of do-re-mi. š
LiquidProj3ctkyranThe frightening thing is that this is annual!
The one-off will probably be even more restrictively priced.
Some other alternatives:
http://www.dspdimension.com/technology-licensing/dirac2/
these guys have a free library (depending on how podium works this might be enough even). The pay for versions are one off fees.
http://www.surina.net/soundtouch/ open source, used in audacity
http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/ also open source
UncleAge@Zynewave wrote:
@UncleAge wrote:
Frits, is zplane one of the alternatives that you have considered? I for one would be willing to throw a bit more do-re-mi in the pot for something like this
Last time I had contact with zplane, they listed an annual license fee of about 3000 US$. That’s a lot of do-re-mi. š
I can see your point. With 150 license renewals you would have to charge at least $20 extra just to break even.
But heck, if at least half of the stated registered users users were active here, I’ll bet that each could come up with an extra 20 over the next three months and that would have at least covered your first two years of the license. Obviously that shifts a bit of the burden to you after that period. However, since Podium will be the killer host by then it will have the annual sales to support that number š
thcilnnahojI’m no time-stretch connoisseur, but I use Soundtouch mainly in the foobar2000 player and the quality’s pretty good. I mean, compared to zPlane Elastique, it’s not really great for pitching up and slowing down more than ~25%, but if getting a licence for a commercial library just isn’t viable and Frits hasn’t started working on zTimeshift, then I’d say go for Soundtouch, if licencing permits. :-k
Never heard of Rubberband – it says to contact them about pricing for commercial use.
kyranI think the dirac2 thing is the easiest one, licensing wise.
Their free version allows one channel operation for both commercial and non-commercial use.
(They say you can use this on multichannel audio by using their object on each channel seperately. The quality of the pro and “more pro” version will most likely be better because they process the channels all at once)
I don’t think the algorithm should be state of the art good, but some timestretching will be nice, especially if it comes with an ableton live like warp marker interface. That allows you to correct minor mistakes in recordings, and those should be so big that you start hearing artefacts.
LiquidProj3ctTimestretch/pitchshift isn’t critical for me, it’s only a cool tool, and I’d say that the less quality of time strech the better š [I’d use it for techno]. So I will be happy with any of the others engines.
I like the way that Reaper implement TS and PS, dragging the clips and with real time and nonreal time options.