Topic: Zoom snapshots
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February 22, 2011 at 00:16 #2527
TrancitParticipantI don´t know, if it´s only me, but I´ve still problems in using the zoom snapshots…
I find “zoom presets” very handy, but I find it completely useless to “hardwire” them to a special song position…
Let´s face it, how often in a creation process of a song do you zoom in a fixed and always the same position???I would love to store zoom presets, but they should zoom where I actually am in a song…
It would be handy to store special song positions as well, but only if it´s not the only possibility to store zoom presets…Perhaps it would be a good idea to make two different things out of the zoom snapshots…
Or do I something wrong here???Trancit
March 1, 2011 at 17:27 #20376
thcilnnahojParticipantI essentially agree with this, as long as the snapshot feature would be split in two. I use them mostly to store song positions, not vertical zoom settings.
It was once suggested to have a simple way to select from a handful of vertical zoom presets (e.g., tiny, small, medium, big, MONSTROUS! OH MY GOD IT’S GOING TO STOMP ME!) like in Studio One. Or was it track height presets… I can’t remember.
Personally, I’d be okay with snapshots only storing timeline positions, leaving vertical zoom levels to another feature or adjustments by hand.If you’re talking about snapshots storing only horizontal zoom settings, then that’s something I’d not be very happy with…
March 1, 2011 at 22:56 #20378TrancitParticipantAnd I use it exactly the other way round. 😀
For what you describe, I personally like working with markers and “jump to marker xy” better, but I don´t know, if Podium offers shortcuts to jump to special markers…
The problem is at the moment: For what you want it to do, it´s already perfect, just leave the zoom level as it is…
For what I want it to do, it´s “nearly” useless, because zoom levels are automatically bound to special song positions and not useable as pure zoom snapshots as they are called.
Of what avail is a zoom snapshot, which takes me to bar 5, if I want to edit a part at bar 150???Trancit
March 12, 2011 at 13:02 #20448
ZynewaveKeymasterDifficult to please both of you, without implementing this as some sort of option 😉
There are four settings stored for each snapshot: Timeline start, timeline size, track top offset and track height zoom percentage.
I could add options for these four settings in the snapshot button right-click menu. So each snapshot can be configured differently, meaning you could use some snapshots to position the timeline, and others to adjust zoom range, etc.
By default all four options would be enabled for new snapshots, so you would need to adjust the options for each snapshot, if you want them to affect only part of the zoom settings.
Is that the way to go? Should all four settings be available as individual options in the menu, or should it be reduced to two options, labeled “Horizontal timeline range” and “Vertical track range”?
March 12, 2011 at 14:33 #20449TrancitParticipantSuch an option would be great.
Would it be possible to include such an option in a rightclick context menu??
Rightclick a snapshot button to bring it up???
Trancit
March 12, 2011 at 15:10 #20450ZynewaveKeymaster@Trancit wrote:
Would it be possible to include such an option in a rightclick context menu??
Rightclick a snapshot button to bring it up???
That is what I suggested. There already is a right-click menu for the snapshot buttons. The new options should just be added to this menu. Or are you talking about a different menu?
March 12, 2011 at 23:01 #20460TrancitParticipantNo, no, that would be fine…looking forward to that. 8)
Thx for listening.
Trancit
March 13, 2011 at 17:53 #20465thcilnnahojParticipantIf you want to handle all zoom levels via the zoom snapshots, it sounds like a plan.
I don’t think two options are enough, though, if Trancit wants to only store the zoom level without song position. Likewise, I’d probably make a snapshot for editing that zoomed in vertically, but without binding it to a specific track (would this reset the view to the top, by the way?).
The other suggestion, I think it was made by CQSD originally, was to make another feature for vertical zoom level recall (like “track height presets” in Studio One). This way you could combine separate your self-made zoom presets for the X and Y axis. Since you can only have one active snapshot, this isn’t possible at the moment. Honestly, though, I don’t know if this would be useful or just make it more confusing.
March 13, 2011 at 18:12 #20466ZynewaveKeymaster@thcilnnahoj wrote:
I don’t think two options are enough, though, if Trancit wants to only store the zoom level without song position. Likewise, I’d probably make a snapshot for editing that zoomed in vertically, but without binding it to a specific track (would this reset the view to the top, by the way?).
Ok, I’ll add an option for each of the four settings then.
A snapshot that only changes the track height zoom will not change the top offset. If you want it to reset to the top, you could create the snapshot when it was at the top, and then enable both the track offset and track zoom options on the snapshot.
The other suggestion, I think it was made by CQSD originally, was to make another feature for vertical zoom level recall (like “track height presets” in Studio One). This way you could combine separate your self-made zoom presets for the X and Y axis. Since you can only have one active snapshot, this isn’t possible at the moment. Honestly, though, I don’t know if this would be useful or just make it more confusing.
I don’t like the idea of introducing another type of zoom preset dedicated to track offset/height. It can be handled just as well by the current snapshot feature. Btw. there is no concept of an “active” zoom snapshot. The zoom snapshot buttons will light up (appear selected) if the current zoom settings matches those stored for the snapshot. So, if a snapshot is set to only affect track height zooming, then it will light up if that matches, ignoring the status of the other three zoom settings. That way there can be multiple snapshot buttons that appear selected.
Thanks for the feedback.
Edit: It probably is a good idea to add a fifth “First snapshot in a group” option on each snapshot. This will enable you to separate the snapshots into separate groups for e.g. timeline and track zooming. Sort of like it is done with the grouping of track tags.
March 16, 2011 at 18:07 #20471thcilnnahojParticipant@Zynewave wrote:
Btw. there is no concept of an “active” zoom snapshot. The zoom snapshot buttons will light up (appear selected) if the current zoom settings matches those stored for the snapshot. So, if a snapshot is set to only affect track height zooming, then it will light up if that matches, ignoring the status of the other three zoom settings. That way there can be multiple snapshot buttons that appear selected.
Yeah, you’re right on that. What I meant was that you couldn’t, for example, activate a snapshot that zooms in on bars 26-30, and then use another snapshot to zoom in vertically. These would have to be combined into one snapshot currently – not that this is a problem!
March 16, 2011 at 19:08 #20473ZynewaveKeymaster@thcilnnahoj wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
Btw. there is no concept of an “active” zoom snapshot. The zoom snapshot buttons will light up (appear selected) if the current zoom settings matches those stored for the snapshot. So, if a snapshot is set to only affect track height zooming, then it will light up if that matches, ignoring the status of the other three zoom settings. That way there can be multiple snapshot buttons that appear selected.
Yeah, you’re right on that. What I meant was that you couldn’t, for example, activate a snapshot that zooms in on bars 26-30, and then use another snapshot to zoom in vertically. These would have to be combined into one snapshot currently – not that this is a problem!
Correct, you can’t do that currently. But you will be able to do just that, with the changes I suggested in this topic. This is a simple thing to implement, doable within a days work. So is it worth the effort to implement this?
March 17, 2011 at 08:29 #20475TrancitParticipantPlease implement everything… 8)
Trancit
March 17, 2011 at 18:08 #20477thcilnnahojParticipantYep, sound great! 8)
March 17, 2011 at 18:52 #20478
4micaParticipantSounds good now…is the midi quantize feature still going to be implemented?
March 19, 2011 at 14:29 #20486ZynewaveKeymaster@4mica wrote:
Sounds good now…is the midi quantize feature still going to be implemented?
The midi grooves, as discussed in the 2.41 preview topic, has not been implemented yet. It still is my intention to implement it at some point. I got sidetracked with other non-Zynewave stuff the last couple of months, and only recently started to work on Podium again. The first few releases will be about minor features and bug-fixes.
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