Topic: zRoute

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  • #1987
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    This is just an idea for a very ambitious z-plugin that you could considerate after some critical stuff as midifx (rerquired for this), timestretch, midi controllers, right click for erase&unselect notes (la la la la :D). It would be like to energyXT but native inside Podium.

    The plugin could load the logicals MIDI Input and Audio Input (since Podium doesn’t do any difference between audio and midi) and MIDI Output (for MIDI thru purpose), Audio Output. It would load also audio and midi effects and

    The innovation would be that it could also load MIDI Outputs/Inputs, Audio Outputs/inputs of other mixer tracks (this would be pretty easy for do sidechains, as other user requested).

    When you would open the plugin you will see this interface, where with a simple right click you would load the plugins, and drag&drop’ing their input/outputs you connect them.

    I didn’t draw this, but every audio effect would have a Dry/Wet and Balance knobs, and every synth a Vol and Pan knobs.

    All the best!

    edit: Example of new sidechaining (using only two tracks instead three :))

    #15586
    Rottweiler
    Participant

    As a longtime Energy XT and modular host fan this is the very best thing could happen…

    I asked maybe a year ago if modularity is on the todo list but Frits said no :(.

    I will buy at least two licenses if modularity will be added.

    ps: i still cant get used to the nonmodular logic πŸ™

    #15588
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    If I understand correctly, this would be specifically a plug-in to use on a track.
    So from your first picture, wouldn’t you get the combined output of Nucleum, Sylenth1 and an audio input on this one track? Why would you want that?

    In the same way with picture two, the actual Track 2 would still be playing normally whilst also feeding into the zRoute chain on another track – so you’d get the raw signal plus the side-chained one!?
    Otherwise you’d have to completely redirect a track’s output/input whenever they’re loaded inside this plug-in. I think it’d start to become very confusing then, if the track was sitting there quietly while its output is actually inside a plug-in on some other track! πŸ˜•

    In any case, personally, I can’t see Podium turning into energy XT 3, and I’m glad. Not saying it couldn’t be good, though. πŸ˜‰ … Actually, looking at my crystal ball… yep, it’s right there in Podium 6.42! Just you wait and see! πŸ˜›

    #15594
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    If I understand correctly, this would be specifically a plug-in to use on a track.
    So from your first picture, wouldn’t you get the combined output of Nucleum, Sylenth1 and an audio input on this one track? Why would you want that?

    Relax man, this was only a silly demo for help to catch the idea πŸ™‚ However it can be used for some complex plugin architecture, as two plugins sounding at same time…. etc

    In the same way with picture two, the actual Track 2 would still be playing normally whilst also feeding into the zRoute chain on another track – so you’d get the raw signal plus the side-chained one!?
    Otherwise you’d have to completely redirect a track’s output/input whenever they’re loaded inside this plug-in. I think it’d start to become very confusing then, if the track was sitting there quietly while its output is actually inside a plug-in on some other track! πŸ˜•

    You know… the sidechain compressors usually have two audio input and one audio output. The sidechain input usually is muted (in some compressors this could be optional), so you would only hear the carrier with its volume envelope modified πŸ™‚

    In any case, personally, I can’t see Podium turning into energy XT 3, and I’m glad. Not saying it couldn’t be good, though. πŸ˜‰ … Actually, looking at my crystal ball… yep, it’s right there in Podium 6.42! Just you wait and see! πŸ˜›

    Me neither! but is an useful plugin instead another delay/eq/flanger/synth… and due to the ability to load another mixers outputs it only could be made inside podium, not vst/dx/au.

    Anyway this is only a suggestion, if Frits like it he will do it in Podium 6.42, if don’t he won’t do it. Simple! πŸ˜‰

    Cheers!

    #15596
    Rottweiler
    Participant

    Well, it would be still useful… maybe u cant do sidechain and multilayering with it, u can still go mental with routing without using energyxt or other modular host’s vst version.

    #15602
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @LiquidProj3ct wrote:

    You know… the sidechain compressors usually have two audio input and one audio output. The sidechain input usually is muted (in some compressors this could be optional), so you would only hear the carrier with its volume envelope modified πŸ™‚

    Argh… Side…chain…input! #-o
    I really shouldn’t post when I’m not thinking straight, which is most of the time. Good morning! πŸ˜†

    #15871
    Klemperer
    Participant

    @Rottweiler wrote:

    Well, it would be still useful… maybe u cant do sidechain and multilayering with it, u can still go mental with routing without using energyxt or other modular host’s vst version.

    yes! Would be awesome. Us old EnergyXT1- users can use, well, the vsti or vst version inside Podium, but built into Podium in some way that would be superb.

    Even if only some nice features that EnergyXT1 had but XT2.5 has not and won’t get it seems (the only host I’m aware of that lost quite a few features changing from v1 to v2 πŸ™„ ), it would be great…

    #18406
    siegfried
    Participant

    +1

    If more modular features like this will be implemented, then my dream comes true! This things are extremely useful…

    #18407
    MelodyMan
    Participant

    Racks in Tracktion also can be used like this. It’s a powerful feature, but i doubt Frits will find it fitting Podium’s paradigm. But i bet he could come up with something even better :mrgreen: .

    #18411
    siegfried
    Participant

    MelodyMan: yes, racks in Tracktion is very good example!

    #18413
    UncleAge
    Participant

    Modularity:
    A substructure handling the routing of all midi and audio should be the basis of any future DAW. It is one of the more challenging and often limiting factors in the hardware/analog realm. eXT and Bidule (and others) have laid some ground work for this type of functionality. However, how it is exposed to the end user should also be a concern. I can route midi and audio all around in Reaper but I don’t really like the interface that’s exposed for me to use. I’d much prefer a more graphical approach.

    Racks:
    I am amazed that none of the DAWs out there have been able to meet or surpass Tracktion’s implementation of racks. Live and Reason allow you to combine a chain of instruments and fx but don’t allow you to route the midi and audio as freely as you could in Tracktion (parallel routing, not just serial). You basically get a chain or preset of a set of plugs. Other hosts have a “rack” but seem to totally miss the opportunity to do more with this type of feature.

    Whether or not these can be implemented in Podium, well, I dunno. But the buzz created (if done properly) would be immense, in-my-humble-opinion…

    #18562
    Levendis
    Participant

    A modular environment delivers a plethora of routing possibilities.

    I started sequencing with Jeskola Buzz and now miss it’s Machines page.

    Sadly, I suspect this method is anathema to Podium’s established hierarchical track structure.

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