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  • #1981
    Markus
    Participant

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    #15535
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    I really want an easy sidechain but I voted ‘no’ because I don’t think that we must put pressure on Frits and his plans about Podium.

    For me (and my needs) there is tons of things as:
    -Easy configuration of drum rolls
    -Option for right mouse button that allow erase&unselect piano roll notes
    -Gui “fixes”: Mixer colours and sequencer track instrument menus
    -Midi fx
    -Clip stretching (audio/midi/curve)
    -Lock piano roll scale, so you cannot add/move notes out of scale (very useful when you move a group of notes)
    -Easy link for MIDI controllers
    -Proper export to wav (+dither)

    And I’m sure that other users have tons of requests also… so the best thing you can do is stick to his plan for podium, unless he ask 🙂

    best regards!

    #15537
    pavouk100
    Participant

    Voted ‘No’, because i’m absolutely satisfied with current sidechaining functionality – to be honest, I still don’t understand what is your problem with current sidechaining implementation. Sure , it could be made even better (as everything in the world :-), but I absolutely agree with LiquidProject that there are much more important things missing.

    For me it is mainly MIDI Fx and MIDI routing, i.e. support for MIDI in busses/sends, support for mixed audio/midi in VSTs (like vocoders, midi-controlled audio tuners etc).

    #15539
    Conquistador
    Participant

    , another moikkelis corner in the Podium Universe 😛

    Well I did vote no as well. Frits can make some really quick implementations based on user feedback. But I think he sensibly tries to keep things focused for each release and already has a long term view as to what will be going into Podium over the next 3 – 9 months or more. He already has a very good idea as to what he will be doing for quite a few months yet.

    I think he has done a fantastic job of balancing user FR’s with his own view of what Podium should be. A really great job so far I must say.

    Some flexibility for change is built into that plan (based on my own experience with FR’s here) but simplifying Sidechaining in Podium while welcome, is not for most people here the most important thing for 2.19 or even 2.20 e.t.c

    That does not of course mean your opinion is not as valid as anyone here moikkelis, just saying that it’s very unlikely to be a main priority for most PDM owners here.

    I personally have a long list of things (all my current FR’s in one place) that I would like to see in Podium before a more simplified form of sidechaining is offered.

    There are currently 3 different types of Sidechain Tutorials to read up on while you wait for an easier way to sidechain (you can always save your side chain set up as a track template so no need to repeat the effort every time).

    #15541
    Markus
    Participant

    Guys 😥

    If i support him, it is fair enough to ask ONE wanted feature, isn’t? Anyway, you win, I’ll go back on my live. 😥

    #15542
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    @moikkelis wrote:

    Guys 😥

    If i support him, it is fair enough to ask ONE wanted feature, isn’t? Anyway, you win, I’ll go back on my live. 😥

    moikkelis, you haven’t to get angry/depressed. Just when you see that Frits is working in mixer/routing just ask for it and be more specific about how you would like it. It’s really easy and simple, in this way we respect his plans for Podium with some feedback. He wins, we win 😉

    #15543
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @moikkelis wrote:

    easy sidechain

    Please post a description of how you would want the sidechain feature to be easier. I assume you’ve read the sidechain tutorials in the wiki. These explain the steps needed to configure a side-chain capable plugin for sidechain usage. Once you’re past that setup (which can be saved in a template for easy inclusion in your future projects), I don’t see how the actual use of the sidechain feature can be much easier?

    #15545
    Markus
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @moikkelis wrote:

    easy sidechain

    Please post a description of how you would want the sidechain feature to be easier. I assume you’ve read the sidechain tutorials in the wiki. These explain the steps needed to configure a side-chain capable plugin for sidechain usage. Once you’re past that setup (which can be saved in a template for easy inclusion in your future projects), I don’t see how the actual use of the sidechain feature can be much easier?

    Take a look at ableton live sidechain feature. That is easy way.

    http://cdn1.ableton.com/movies/compression_and_sidechaining.mov

    #15548
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    The problem is that Live uses a native compressor for sidechain. Native plugins are ready for do easy their stuff. Think in Podium internals plugins, they can have some functions that VST cannot.

    However I think there is an easier way to do sidechain in Podium, i’ll post it soon as a suggestion.

    #15560
    druid
    Participant

    @moikkelis wrote:

    If i support him, it is fair enough to ask ONE wanted feature, isn’t?

    It is fair to ask many things! But you shouldn’t expect even one feature that you ask for to be implemented. You paid for the licence to use Podium as it is now and as it is for a year (assuming you purchased under the current licencing scheme) the way the developer creates it, taking feedback from users. There are no promises that everyone can definitely have one thing included, or anything like that. So far I haven’t seen Frits say such things, and I’m glad, because it’s politically good, and also wise, because then it helps users understand that they can make suggestions, but not control.

    As I’ve learned in the past (sigh), a person should not rely on how something is going to be in the future. Rather, they should accept what something is now, work with that if it suits them, and hope for future improvements but never expect them (unless it is promised or close to that). Otherwise, they will continue to be disappointed.

    #15565
    pavouk100
    Participant

    @druid wrote:

    As I’ve learned in the past (sigh), a person should not rely on how something is going to be in the future. Rather, they should accept what something is now, work with that if it suits them, and hope for future improvements but never expect them (unless it is promised or close to that). Otherwise, they will continue to be disappointed.

    Sounds like copypaste from some yoga textbook, maybe except that ‘hope’ part. 😉

    Seriously, I agree completely, nicely put together, druid.

    #15568
    Pigini
    Participant

    @pavouk100 wrote:

    @druid wrote:

    As I’ve learned in the past (sigh), a person should not rely on how something is going to be in the future. Rather, they should accept what something is now, work with that if it suits them, and hope for future improvements but never expect them (unless it is promised or close to that). Otherwise, they will continue to be disappointed.

    Sounds like copypaste from some yoga textbook, maybe except that ‘hope’ part. 😉

    Seriously, I agree completely, nicely put together, druid.

    Seems like, someone learned a lesson after waiting too long for energy-xt 2 to be bugfree ;).

    #15571
    druid
    Participant

    Yes, well, I wasn’t going to go into ALL the details… It taught me something though! 🙂

    #15580
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @moikkelis wrote:

    Take a look at ableton live sidechain feature. That is easy way.

    http://cdn1.ableton.com/movies/compression_and_sidechaining.mov

    Thanks. That’s a nice tutorial. I wish I had time and resources to do video tutorials like that for Podium.

    The main difference between Podiums and Lives sidechain support, as I see it:

    In Live you choose the sidechain input source track in the plugin editor on the compressed track. In Podium you insert the sidechain input on the source track. Two different approaches, each with their own pros and cons. It may be easier to do a simple side-chain setup with Live. With the Podium approach it is possible to set up multiple input tracks for the sidechain input (if for example you have multiple bass drum tracks). You can also add the sidechain input anywhere in the source track chain, and not just pre/post effects.

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