No I suppose strictly speaking it’s not a “bug” (though I thought it was at first) but I would describe it as needing “fixing” all the same in the sense that it is not working properly – it may be working as “intended” but it is not “fit for purpose” imho. I’m pleased it will be addressed, I just hope it will not be too long as the workaround is impractical for my purposes.
OK we are post 2.09 so is this on the roadmap for a fix yet? I’m sorry to have to keep bringing this up but please understand that the current implementation basically makes recording synths with automation unworkable for me at present and I see this as a very serious issue – to show how serious I took this screenshot which I hope demonstrates the extent of the problem
here I think it is plain to see in this relatively simple sequence example every time I adjust the cutoff and then switch to the res knob, the cutoff drops to zero and every time I adjust the res and then switch back to cutoff it does the same – all the time having the cutoff at zero makes the sound silent so I would hastily adjust it back only to then have the res drop down and have to be corrected. It’s like I was fighting the host all the way and this is just a simple example.
This is not a bug with this particular VSTi (Korg Legacy Cell) – I have encountered similar behaviour with every synth and effect I have tried to automate and I chose LC as the example as it is widely known to be a stable and well established “classic VSTi. No host should do this – it takes away control from the musician – not one of those drops to zero in either param was intentional and even if I could edit them out afterwards the whole flow of the track and of my playing was ruined.
I think the problems should be fixed before future improvements, I had problems with this too
Best regards 😉
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This seems like bad workflow to me.
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Yes. I think you guys are right. Lets get this done first please Frits. Even if it is not a bug requiring a fix but something that requires a redesign / revision of sorts.
Podium AFAICT right now is bullet proof in other areas.
@aMUSEd wrote:
OK we are post 2.09 so is this on the roadmap for a fix yet? I’m sorry to have to keep bringing this up but please understand that the current implementation basically makes recording synths with automation unworkable for me at present and I see this as a very serious issue – to show how serious I took this screenshot which I hope demonstrates the extent of the problem
here I think it is plain to see in this relatively simple sequence example every time I adjust the cutoff and then switch to the res knob, the cutoff drops to zero and every time I adjust the res and then switch back to cutoff it does the same – all the time having the cutoff at zero makes the sound silent so I would hastily adjust it back only to then have the res drop down and have to be corrected. It’s like I was fighting the host all the way and this is just a simple example.
This is not a bug with this particular VSTi (Korg Legacy Cell) – I have encountered similar behaviour with every synth and effect I have tried to automate and I chose LC as the example as it is widely known to be a stable and well established “classic VSTi. No host should do this – it takes away control from the musician – not one of those drops to zero in either param was intentional and even if I could edit them out afterwards the whole flow of the track and of my playing was ruined.
Did you record the MIDI notes and the knob automation at the same time?
I assume that the curve sequences were not set to the full length of the arrangement from the start, but rather gradually extended as recording progressed?
Yes that is how I always do it – I record as I play. Therefore I don’t (can’t) set the lane length in advance
@aMUSEd wrote:
Yes that is how I always do it – I record as I play. Therefore I don’t (can’t) set the lane length in advance
Yeah and there is the added advantage that Podium automatically creates the parameter track for the controll that you are changing.
I don’t get it tho, I just re-tested 2.09 and on my setup and the parameter event automatically extends beyond the midi track events and the controls do not drop to zero?
@H-man wrote:
@aMUSEd wrote:
Yes that is how I always do it – I record as I play. Therefore I don’t (can’t) set the lane length in advance
I don’t get it tho, I just re-tested 2.09 and on my setup and the parameter event automatically extends beyond the midi track events and the controls do not drop to zero?
The curve events are set to the total length of the arrangement. You probably have some events on other tracks that extend beyond your recording range.
@Zynewave wrote:
@H-man wrote:
@aMUSEd wrote:
Yes that is how I always do it – I record as I play. Therefore I don’t (can’t) set the lane length in advance
I don’t get it tho, I just re-tested 2.09 and on my setup and the parameter event automatically extends beyond the midi track events and the controls do not drop to zero?
The curve events are set to the total length of the arrangement. You probably have some events on other tracks that extend beyond your recording range.
Okay yep …cool.
I’m guessing the ‘recording notes at the same time as automation’ is still an issue tho?
Would this be solved by pre-drawing the midi track event before recording the notes and automations?
@H-man wrote:
I’m guessing the ‘recording notes at the same time as automation’ is still an issue tho?
Not if the length of the arrangement is longer than your recording range. The curve events will still be set to the arrangement length, even if the note sequence is being gradually extended as you record. A tip for setting the length of a new arrangement with empty tracks: Add a marker event at the desired length.
@Zynewave wrote:
@H-man wrote:
I’m guessing the ‘recording notes at the same time as automation’ is still an issue tho?
Not if the length of the arrangement is longer than your recording range. The curve events will still be set to the arrangement length, even if the note sequence is being gradually extended as you record. A tip for setting the length of a new arrangement with empty tracks: Add a marker event at the desired length.
Ah yes. I think I’m re-covering old ground here? Really gotta quit my day job so I can focus on Podium.
Any updates on this issue?
@aMUSEd wrote:
Any updates on this issue?
Your latest screenshot was a help in highlighting a problem when recording automation. I’m planning a revision of the automation system in a release hopefully within a couple of months.
Cool If it helps I’ve got a worse example here from this afternoon:
I was trying to automate mallet stiffness in Lounge Lizard to create a more organic feel but it wouldn’t even let me move off the zero for more than a second or two – every time I tried to get it where I wanted it to be it would snap back to zero – this time even though I was not moving to another param as in the example above – as you’ll appreciate I gave up as it was impossible.