Topic: Calling to Awareness

Maybe Frits had to find an associate^^
Podium is not a little shareware, time advance and fonctionnality are growing, it’s surely difficult to handle a development of a soft like this alone.
Maybe some student in programming can help here…
I think that the slow evolution deserve Podium, the fast developement of other softwares, make users to believe in a dynamic company, feel more serious, with soft that will be here for a long time…
Here i have sometimes the impression that Podium is a Frits hobby. Surely not, but it is the sensation i have :/

But i support Podium at 100%, and i cross finger for Zynewave to growing.

Some clarification
First things first…I am not getting into a feature war here. 😉 Frits is quite capable of prioritizing features himself and has been doing so for many years, but of course still encourages user input. If Podium never gets any of the 3 features I suggested or any of the other FR’s I have made over the years Frits would still be IMO one the best devs ever I have come across and Podium one of the best coded apps for music I have *ever* used.

He has added features at times at very short notice to cater for *many* user desires over the years (including mine) so my perception of him and his product will always remain *very* high regardless of any future FR implementations. Podium does not have to be my main DAW for me to appreciate his extreme hard work and his very high graphical creative talent for UI design (a rare combo for single dev) 😉

@pavouk100 wrote:

I can’t see any other reason than ‘my whole system is x64, so all apps have to be x64, so that it nice to look at’.

I can’t see any reason why features you want like flexible MIDI routing or Composite tracks for MIDI are no more than something nice to look at as well = has no interest for me. 😉 But I can quite easily accept everyone has different needs. My comments earlier are suggestions for Frits (even if I think feature x or y is overdue) they are still just suggestions not demands.

To answer your question…

Out of curiosity, what is the reason for 64bit version?

…an x64 version of Podium would be useful for more than a few reasons but here are 3…

1. To avoid using any 3rd party “bridge”…which will also side step having to track another dev for support issues, fixes and patches.

2. Dropping the need for a bridge also means less chances of crashes and as a result increased reliability. This KVR Jbridge thread has plenty of user posts posting issues. The Jbridge dev can only do so much as a single dev. There are a ton load of native x64 plugins that are currently available now at different price points to suit pretty much every need. No need for a bridge. I will add that the Jbridge dev has done very well and garnered many users. But if I can side step using a bridge I will do so everytime.

3. Competition – x64 support is an expected feature now compared to other competing hosts, not some esoteric, obscure luxury feature that is distracting the development process for Podium or threatening to. Frits no doubt has a timetable for it (this year, next or beyond) as he has the inside info on what is best for Podium I trust any decision he makes would be the correct one. 😉

Sadly, I have to second LiquidProj3ct´s point of view…

I am a quite new memeber since 27th of april this year and please don´t get me wrong, I absolutely love the way you implement all of the feature requests…but I´ve to second, that you got absolutely lost in cosmetic changes instead of making Podium a really competitor the the other ones out there…

Orion, MuLab and Podium are the only ones out there lacking of audio timestretch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (but have to say, therefore MuLab is focused of an outstanding modular area)

Podium is the only!!!!!! sequencer I know, which doesn´t handle midi VST or free midi routing to other tracks…………I don´t know since when midi VST/i are available on the market?????

Podium is the only sequencer I know, which has many problems, saving VST/i presets in the songfile………..

Podium still has bouncing issues…I ,again, am not aware of another host with problems like that….

For me personally, this x64 thingie is really unimportant, but all the others jumping on this train, so it seems to be important to many other people…

No rx2 support…

Problems with mousewheel with many plugins

No proper controler surface support

Again, please don´t get me wrong:

I personally love the way you are implementing things like the new drum editor, the scalable mixer or the absolutely unique feature: import the data out of midifiles directly into the piano roll…brilliant…

I looked through the releases threads to resume the chhanges of the last ten updates, since I own my Podium license are only a few “new” features:

1. new snap functions
2. new drum editor
3. new midibrowser with new import features and midi timestretch
4. scalable mixer and now UI fonts/icons and so on

Imho, the rest were “just” little cosmetic improvements, perhaps necessary but I get the point of LiquidProj3ct…

For the real “important” changes, to bring up Podium to the top level, where it definetely belongs to, there was too little in the last time…

And I have to second his statement, that if somebody wants to write a new member review on KVR, after reading the last one from 2005…what has really changed???

Of course a lot of small internal changes to make the program better, but what shall I tell them about the really important stuff????

Just my 2 cents…(perhaps it´s just 1 8) )

Trancit

Although I am not a veteran of this site I can honestly say this:

I love Podium for what it is and what Zynewave continues to do with it. He’s only one man people. Try to think in his shoes for a second and then see what you would do. He doesn’t have a dev team working on Podium, HE IS the dev team.

One man cannot do it all.

And out of all the DAW’s I’ve used by far Podium to me is a VERY excellent DAW. I mean I’ve used nearly all of them and don’t like them.[freeware that is] LMMS just released[Linux MultiMedia Studio]a patch that did “nothing”. I asked myself: “Ok they have a dev TEAM working on LMMS, WHY can’t they release more updates to stabilize this DAW and make it more promising to use, instead of CRASH CRASH CRASH? I rarely have any problems with Podium[except for some crashing problems which I will state]and I think it is a very stable program. Also Zynewave if you are reading this this may be somewhat of an important patch for you to look into-

-When I save my project sometimes if I try to open another project Podium crashes.

-When and after I’ve saved my project when I just hit the “X” to close Podium, and of course Podium asks me to save the bounce files, sometimes it finishes all the bounces files THEN crashes again. 🙁 [and I don’t know whether or not it truly saved the bounced files or not…]

Just something I thought you would like to know. = )

Have patience people I’m sure Fritz[Zynewave] is trying to come up with much needed updates that we are demanding, but we have to remember he is one man and he does try. = )

He’s only one man people. Try to think in his shoes for a second and then see what you would do. He doesn’t have a dev team working on Podium, HE IS the dev team.

One man cannot do it all.

Gol is one man developer too. In 12 years of FL development vs podium 20 years development, FL has like 100 more features. Orion is too one man team, same mulabs. That isn’t real excuse.

Last time i was here, i kinda criticise everything very harsh. Because of me, Frits lost his joy of work. Well, i’m deeply sorry about that. However, what more and more i follow this develope route and Frits priorities, i remember why i start to critique in first hand.

I have told before that Podium goes where developer want, not where customers want. If customers want mousewheel support for plugins, plugins to stop steal shortcuts, or other very very wanted features, Frits going to edit fonts.. This is just one pointless example on these two years what i have followed.

If the engine coding start to annoying, then you are in the wrong job. That is you’re job, you have choose it. But yes, i do understand you’re point. If you feel you need break, then you should simply take week or two vacation.

I remember wanted so badly just ONE SMALL feature. Allowing streching on default cursor tool. Nope, i didnt get it. I even offer him to 100-200€ to do it, but guess what? nope.

You dont’t change your software if YOU DON’T LIKE THE FR. With this policy, you shouldn’t sell you’re product at all. You should keep it for yourself and use it only for your own purpose.

Also, I am pretty sure many of users would appreciate having “all in one” tool. I personally don’t know anything such a annoying thing than change tools all the time. Ye, there is shortcut, which lead another question, why to make stupid shortcuts if you can do everything via mouse / without shortcut?

Time-Streching is thing what isn’t going to happen, cause if i remember Frits told that zplane license cost 3000 dollar$ or €uros, but the point is, there is no enough sales to buy that license. Which lead to another question, should podium try something new to sell more. Maybe start to listen customers and add those very wanted features?

While ago, i mention harsh that podium is for wnb bedroom guitarist, and i won’t change my opinion. Not at all.

This is overgeneralize, sorry for that, but i think it goes something like this.

For guitarist / hardware users, important things are

1. Recording
2. Audio editing
3. Time-Streching
4. …?
5. …?

As you are guitarist too, you have done these features well. But..

For Electronic music producers

1. Sidechain
2. How piano roll is working
3. Keyboard focus fix
4. Automation
5. Swing
6. Time screching
7. Performance

..There is a lot of things what can do much better.

This is MY OPINION.

For me sidechain is perhaps number one. It need to set up fast. I have 10-20 different sidechain triggers in every track. I don’t bother to set up that “podium style sidechain” million times. It is too hard, and it is takes way too much time.

Pianoroll is good, but not perfect. Ghost notes could done better, i have emailed about this, cause sometimes it is hard to notice difference between real and ghosted notes. No answer.. Again. Well, my much wanted feature, allowing that stupid streching. You can abide for it little while, but after 30-> times to press another shortcut you start to lose you’re nervous.

Well, maybe it is just me, but i simply cannot understand why things needs to make so difficult. There is more easier way, why we don’t go there? You’re explanation for why you don’t do it was ridiculous. “..avoid accidental resize/velocity adjustment”. If you manage to do that by “accidental” there is ctrl+z for it.

Can’t really tell how f*king annoying this keyboard shortcut stealer is. It’s totally kills you’re creativity. I used to tolerate it about 50+ unnecessary clicks to host native part, but today, after 5, i see totally red and i quit that software right away. How many others feels the same? How many potential customers will don’t buy product cause of that? You never know. Could be 0, could be 100.

Every producers automation is very important feature. Gladly podium has good automation system. (Y)

Last time there wasn’t swing option, now there is which is okay. Would love to see global swing too..

Time-Streching is important cause many use loops, especially hihat and other bongo style loops.. I use them too, but i always slice it to midi and make it total new.

Since today, everyone use software, host cpu performance is pretty important. To me, Podium “feels” pretty heavy and it use more cpu than my FL or Live. Not much, but it goes more easily over 50% than FL or Live.

Even this is just my opinion, i claim to represent “todays typical musician”. We live in 2010, where software can do almost everything. I claim that 60-80% world musician use only or mainly for software for their music.

You can’t do everything on software. Orchestral and guitar stuff is maybe the hardest to sample, but we have amazing violins, pianos, flutes etc sounds on kontakt. We have nexus for bass and leads. We have everything to do quality music at bedroom.

When i say “electronic music producers”, i would mean, rnb, trance, dance, sadly today pop, TV-Commercials, ambient etc. producers. List is endless. I would only count out rock and orchestral stuff. These would still need real instruments (to sound good). Of course you can do such a music with kontakt too!

But the point is, you don’t clearly see how big commune NEED those features. By ignoring this all the time, you piss your own corn flakes every morning. You are doing great job, you are hardworking, which i respect a lot, but you make bad decisions. You’re prioritize are hopeless.

IF I WERE YOU, i would throw you’re “to do” list trash bid right away, and i would take your competion “what to do” list and start to fill those ideas. Many people would be happy and in the end i’m pretty sure you would get more customers too. People as need features to make music.

I know you hate me, you already hated, and now you hate me even more. I’m fine with that. I’m still going to support you’re work, you can be sure that i will buy update when my license going to end. Even i dont currently use podium at all.

I promise to you “behave” better this time, and i have done this. You can’t denied that. So please don’t offer me refund again just to shut me up.

I just opened my chest now with others and i hope you finaly realize that something need to do different. It’s not only me who want changes. People simply aren’t happy with your prioritize.

Don’t lost you’re joy of your work again, that isn’t my or other purposes. Don’t take it personal. Don’t get depressed. Just start to make right decisions. I’ll promise you that everyone will be more happy if you let you’re own attachment go and start a do what your customers want.

Only way to make things better, is to get feedback. Customers told you what to fix, and you jobs is fix it. Same is in music. If no one doesn’t give you feedback, you never become better producer. We are humans, we make mistakes, and we are blinds to our own mistakes. Some learn on first mistake, some on fifth and some doesn’t learn ever. Don’t belong that latest category.

Peace and sorry for my bad english