accordo.
InfinitoarAt what ninjawarrior said:…..I have no reply.
I’ll just say this and Zynewave, Fritz, whatever you wish to be addressed to, please don’t take this the wrong way and I hope it inspires you.
As I told you before I’ve been through all sorts of DAW’s. I’ve been through FL Studio, LMMS, DarkWave Studio, Magix, Ableton Live, Digital Musician DAW, A “BROWSER based” DAW[lol], and many more, even hidden ones that no one barely knows that people have stopped updates and support for, and all I can say is this:
Podium is what is keeping me interested in creating music. Not any other of those DAW’s are, YOURS is. “I WANT” to be the guy to tell everyone with a proud smile: “Hey try Podium it’s awesome and I love it”, and much more. I use the freeware version of the program and by far to me it’s the best one. As I said I know I’m new here so I kind of feel like I may not know exactly what is going on, but I can tell you how “I feel”. And I must say thanks to you[and many other reasons in my life] when I thought I would never create music because I cannot afford the “good stuff” your program is what kept me going.
Now yes on certain points there are things that may concern people. Like the usage of CPU Podium uses. Or the weird crashes here and there. But I know you are just one guy you don’t have a FULL STAFF working around the clock figuring out what to do with Podium to make it better. I know you may think of the users here as somewhat as your “staff” by giving you comments on what happened, why it happened, and suggestions to fix it. Now if I’m wrong about the “FULL STAFF” then I stand corrected. But IF in fact you are truly ONE MAN without a FULL STAFF and/or Development Team then I can understand what you may feel as a priority update. I will say that I do agree that maybe you need to “consider” the much needed “requested”[not demanded] updates. But I am not going to go bat shit crazy about you sitting at your PC making updates left and right while not getting rest. Things take time and no one was born walking.[if you get what I mean]
If someone is offended by this post then sorry, but I believe he is doing the best he can. Unless you are coding and making updates for Podium yourself trying to tell a “one man tech team” to hurry up doesn’t help at all nor does it make you look like you care either. Do what he does and see how you would feel getting the feedback he gets.[Good or Bad]
Zynewave, I respect you and I don’t want Podium going down in history as a potentially good freeware AND paidware DAW that was shut down and will not be further updated due to overdemand of people who want want want, but can’t give give give.
And as I stated, do what HE does before you go criticizing him for what he “doesn’t do”.
ninjawarriorIf you respect Mr.Zynewave so much, why dont you buy you’re podium? It is 50$ only. I buy it, and will buy it even i dont use it. Haven’t even installed two latest version. As a hardworking people, i do respect hardworking people a lot. This the reason why i support Frits.
I have seen many people like you. New user who kiss ass and hope to win points. But every one of these have turn they jacket after year or two. They all buy product, then they realize that they need certain features to do music. Then they start to request those, and ups! You don’t get anything. After couple answer, he doesn’t even answer you’re FR anymore.
Every time he just told “it is my todo list”. Well, if you look two or three years back, even those most simplest and smalest request aren’t done yet. If you as customer are fine with that, good for you. There is reason why podium isn’t popular as it SHOULD be.
And now, when i open my chest, every one got silenced. This is how it works. Stealing candy from schoolboy, and when the big bad mafia comes, everyone is too scary to speak. You won’t get any changes this way, so why to bother start this topic?
UncleAgeI remember when I first bought Podium I was all kinda lost. It was a much different app then 🙂 Anyway, what would amaze me is that, it seemed as though no matter what time of day I would post a question, Fritz would answer. Swear to my god I thought he never slept. I try and take that approach with everyone who comes to me looking for help in my business as well. And I totally respect his approach to customer service and the many times he has taken a different development path because we all needed feature “X” or something else to make life a little easier.
I say that to say this. I think the OP has made a fair point.
I think the troll did not.
And I have never seen that trollish approach work here. It has largely been a respectful forum for years. I doubt that your posts will change that. And I didn’t want to hijack what was a purposeful and probably much needed thread. But it needed to be said.
And Fritz, should some other posts in this thread come up missing 😛 please delete this one as well.
SlomoI find it strange when people out of nowhere somehow know best how someone else should run their company and developement of their product.
You can see the same tendencies over at RedUser.net (forum for the RED Digital Cinema Camera) where people tell Jim Jannard how to best run his company and what or what not to do and how little they should have to pay for it, etc. Sometimes he listens, sometimes not. It’s his decision. Same goes for Frits and Zynewave.
I compare Zynewave and RED because they’re both very transparent and have active communication with their customers/users, which I think is very good, but can easily be misused. This seem to have happend over at Nevercenter (maker of the 3D-software Silo), where they just stop to communicate with the customers/users and further developement of the software itself.
Take care!
ninjawarriorNo one here isn’t to tell how he should run company. People just want to get hearded, or how ever that word should spelled. You cannot do music with fonts or recording support. Well, maybe in 1999, but we are now in 2010. If you want success with todays host market, you need at least regular features.
Infinitoar@ninjawarrior wrote:
If you respect Mr.Zynewave so much, why dont you buy you’re podium? It is 50$ only. I buy it, and will buy it even i dont use it. Haven’t even installed two latest version. As a hardworking people, i do respect hardworking people a lot. This the reason why i support Frits.
I have seen many people like you. New user who kiss ass and hope to win points. But every one of these have turn they jacket after year or two. They all buy product, then they realize that they need certain features to do music. Then they start to request those, and ups! You don’t get anything. After couple answer, he doesn’t even answer you’re FR anymore.
Every time he just told “it is my todo list”. Well, if you look two or three years back, even those most simplest and smalest request aren’t done yet. If you as customer are fine with that, good for you. There is reason why podium isn’t popular as it SHOULD be.
And now, when i open my chest, every one got silenced. This is how it works. Stealing candy from schoolboy, and when the big bad mafia comes, everyone is too scary to speak. You won’t get any changes this way, so why to bother start this topic?
So I’m a “kiss ass” huh? Listen, you mind as well said: Infinitoar your a kiss ass. I’m not scared of you nor will I ever BE. Maybe your experience with Zynewave/Fritz is different from mine but from what I can see he’s busting his ass to make UNGRATEFUL people like you happy.[Which he shouldn’t to be honest, and I hate to say it this way, if you don’t like Zynewave’s Podium then I think you should, hence “fuck off” and go kiss some other major companies butt and see what feedback they give you]
Your trolling and I laugh at trolls like you. Your a joke to the internet society acting all tough behind your “computer monitor and keyboard”. I hate crap talkers like you ninjawarrior because you can “act big on the net” but can’t do it in real life. So yes by all means troll me some more so I can laugh more at you.
I respect Zynewave and I’m sure he read[and if you KNEW IT ALL you would have read too]I blew 60 bucks on Magix Musicmaker 16 Download version. I was almost at a lost because I don’t have the best job in the world, [“Mr. I Know Everyone’s Lifestyles, But Really I’m Just Assuming Like The Troll I Am”] and beyond bills and other things people have to deal with I saved ON THE SIDE the money for this DAW only to find out it doesn’t support VSTe’s. And yes if you think “Oh why didn’t you do your research before you got it?”- I did. No where on the Magix entire site does it say anything about the premium version vs. the download version with or without support for VSTe’s. So after I did my research and bought it thinking it would do all I needed.[also because at the time I was starting out in music and a good artist named “TweakerRay” told me he started out with it and I should look into it and get it] I still regret buying it but thanks to Zynewave I have his freeware version of his program and besides Christmas and among OTHER THINGS I have to take care of I cannot buy his full program THIS YEAR. I will however buy it next year.
And to get points? What “points”? On how to use Podium better? Because I don’t see a 5 star rating system on this forum saying who’s the most active and best user, so where the hell are these half baked ideas coming from? What are on, rage drugs? And do you have the job Zynewave has? Do you know how to code his program? Are you ATTEMPTING to even HELP him by saying anything related to the coding or development to his program? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TO EVEN DO ANYTHING BESIDES TALK CRAP? No. You don’t. Your the standard troll, you get on something you DON’T like and talk crap all day to try to get a rise out of someone because obviously you don’t get enough attention in your actual “real life”, how about you do like any other troll does and take your cowardly acts to YouTube and do that.
And you’ve seen people like me before? There you go again doing what trolls do, assume assume assume. 1st you need to stop assuming you KNOW everyone because YOU DON’T know me. I’m giving Zynewave praise because you complaining about certain things[not all] that most[smart] people would work AROUND until Zynewave gets to it. And then here’s another thing that doesn’t make sense…you talk so bad about him yet you think your “honoring him” buy buying his updates and you have bought his program…whoopdeefukindoo. That’s like me buying an Xbox 360 yet I hate the system and will go on anything related and say: “I have a 360, don’t play it, but I still buy games for it but it’s a crappy gaming system.” That just makes YOU sound RETARDED. Absolutely retarded. Makes no sense whatsoever. Remind me again or clarify how your supporting him? By buying his updates/upgrades and still talking trash about him and his program? Wow, your “smart”. *facepalm*
And now you’ve “opened your chest” and everyone got quiet? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA listen dude, your nothing to me. Your like dirt underneath my shoe, just waiting to be washed away. You’ll see more supportive posts from me, and if you don’t like it, leave. No one will miss you and everyone will keep using Podium and supporting Fritz and waiting for whenever he has time to make the much needed updates that he can. So far I’ve seen Fritz:
-Answer technical problem questions ANYTIME they are posted
-Tell us about updates
-Holding a competition[which I really think is pretty cool, and no I’m not going to be hellbent on trying to win it either]
-Runs this active forum/website
-Obviously works
-Works on Podium
-Answers and posts whenever he has time.[which seems to be a lot]
What the HELL have you done besides talk crap? Oh…..talk more crap. Yay. We’re all saved by some guy who doesn’t do what Zynewave does, obviously knows nothing about programming,[because if you DID you would take time out of your day to help code and make updates for Podium not sit here talking CRAP] and talks mess, yet he “supports” Zynewave….yaaaay. *facepalm*
And now I’ll say it to YOU[the hell with others because they’re are not as rude as you seem to be]and read carefully this time: DO. WHAT. HE. DOES. 1ST. BEFORE. YOU. GO. TALKING. OUT OF. YOUR. REAR. END. UNTIL YOU DO THAT SHUT UP AND SIT IN YOUR LITTLE TROLL CORNER OR GO TO YOUTUBE AND GET FED THERE.
I’m sorry Fritz/Zynewave but this ninjawarrior[Oh and how original your name is…ninjawarrior…wow so badass, a Japanese TV show name woooo I’m so scared…]just had to talk some crap. If he “respected you” he wouldn’t offend your program, your hardwork NOR other people. He thinks he knows what you and EVERYONE else does based upon his “assumptions” and then when someone goes against him he gets like the little toddler troll he is he gets angry and comments negatively back. I don’t know if you look at his comments and ignore them, or look at his comments and laugh, but either way I’m not kissing your ass, your program was the last straw for me making music and it paid off. I have nothing but respect and many thanks for that. And I don’t want people like HIM offending you so much you stop support for Podium because you feel like your hated more than appreciated. It’s a really good program and don’t give up due to a-holes like him.
P.S. Zynewave if you DO feel the need to delete my post because it may be too offensive then I have no problem with it, but it had to be said.
TrancitI think, there is something true in the posts of ninjawarrior, but please, there is no reason to start a war here…
I second, that there is a reason, why Podium isn´t as popular as it should be…
and Fritz, I respect, that you decide yourself about the next steps in developement, but I have in mind too, that it is a buisiness for you and you want to earn money with your product…
And there is definetely very much truth about the issues, ninjawarrior “shouted out” here…
If you want to make Podium more popular, I think it´s more essential to work on the basic issues many people asking for, than concentrating on finetuning more or less unimportant stuff or working parrallel on a free version…. at this moment, Podium is featurewise far far behing it´s direct competitors and while others develop more and more features to increase their advantage you were concentrating on (featurewise) pretty useless stuff …
If you don´t want to miss the train, it´s five to twelfe…
Imho, there are only two ways to survive in this very hard competition:
Either your product offers a very very special feature (e.g. energyXT´s modular approach) or your product is up to date compared to the others…
Ask yourself, what´s in your opinion, the reason/motivation for new users to spend their money on your product instead of a very full featured Reaper…
Cockos raised the bar so much depending on the development tempo, that it´s very hard anyway to stand this fight…
So please,please,please don´t let Podium fall behind any further…you did such a good job in the past…
And please, to all the others:
Even if you are dissapointed, please let´s argue but flaming doesn´t help…
Please keep calm…
Trancit
LiquidProj3ctHey guys, relax. The truth doesn’t need be defended.
The whole point of my post was “Please, focus the Podium development towards the most requested features”. I wrote some examples too.
It wasn’t related about who loves Podium, who are the best user or what is the most requested feature.
If you respect yourself you won’t arguee with anyone [because you deeply understand that means bad feelings for you].
InfinitoarI’m sorry LiquidProject but I guess I sort of trolled/vented myself. Not that I feel like “I’m the man” but I feel it had to be said. I have looked at the “history” of forums and there is always some angry, hateful , spiteful like person or even “people” picking out one person and ragging on them. That’s why I never joined a forum or even posted on one. This is the 1st time EVER in my ENTIRE life I have joined a forum because I thought “Eh it couldn’t hurt, maybe trolls don’t exist here” I guess I was wrong.
But I do apologize if my comment seems immensely offensive.
LiquidProj3ctDon’t worry Infinitoar, I also can have bad days 😀 You seem a good man 😉
pavouk100@Conquistador wrote:
@pavouk100 wrote:
I can’t see any other reason than ‘my whole system is x64, so all apps have to be x64, so that it nice to look at’.
I can’t see any reason why features you want like flexible MIDI routing or Composite tracks for MIDI are no more than something nice to look at as well = has no interest for me. 😉 But I can quite easily accept everyone has different needs. My comments earlier are suggestions for Frits (even if I think feature x or y is overdue) they are still just suggestions not demands.
You’re right, my comment was dishonest and I apologize for it.
Still…
1. To avoid using any 3rd party “bridge”…which will also side step having to track another dev for support issues, fixes and patches.
But this can be useful only if you are forced to use 64bit plugin, AFAIK there are not so many (if any) which are 64bit only, and not so many for which it would be useful to use 64b instead of 32b (samplers with huge sample libraries come to my mind as the only real case).
2. Dropping the need for a bridge also means less chances of crashes and as a result increased reliability. This KVR Jbridge thread has plenty of user posts posting issues. The Jbridge dev can only do so much as a single dev. There are a ton load of native x64 plugins that are currently available now at different price points to suit pretty much every need. No need for a bridge. I will add that the Jbridge dev has done very well and garnered many users. But if I can side step using a bridge I will do so everytime.
See above; bridge is needed only in very few cases, in other cases 32b variant of the plugin is sufficient.
3. Competition – x64 support is an expected feature now compared to other competing hosts, not some esoteric, obscure luxury feature that is distracting the development process for Podium or threatening to. Frits no doubt has a timetable for it (this year, next or beyond) as he has the inside info on what is best for Podium I trust any decision he makes would be the correct one. 😉
Thats all nice, but… what is it actually useful for? The fact that something other has it does not increase the usefulness of any feature at all – IMHO of course.
Conquistador@pavouk100 wrote:
Thats all nice, but… what is it actually useful for?
This is what I thought might happen… 🙂
I have already given clear and concise reasons as to what the benefits are and why x64 support is useful and needed. I cannot and would not begin to try and convince anyone else of the benefits of x64 support.
That would be just as futile (and arrogant) as trying to convince someone else that their current workflow that they enjoy is all of a sudden completely wrong and should be changed simply becasue I do not agree with it. 🙂
The reasons I have given are plenty for anyone who understands the benefits and how Podium would better fare against stiffer compeition in this area.
I suspect x64 support is not something you would be interested in now or probably in future. But that is ok. We are all different with different needs. Neither is right or wrong…just different. 😉
But I will have to stop the x64 point by point discussion as there is no need for me to convince you or anyone else. You seem happy without it so there is no need for me to spend time convincing you to do otherwise. That really would make no sense.
It really is OK IMO to just agree to disagree. 🙂
z_sfyrFor all of the above, which i have not, & will not read in it’s entirety, Podium remains a pleasure to make music on. Get it? Make music. We’re not blaming our tools are we?
pj geerlings@z03 wrote:
For all of the above, which i have not, & will not read in it’s entirety, Podium remains a pleasure to make music on. Get it? Make music. We’re not blaming our tools are we?
Seems like a good idea 😉
I understand and accept that development goals can and do change over time
I would like to know how existing feature requests are currently prioritized
peace y’all
pj
Infinitoar@z03 wrote:
For all of the above, which i have not, & will not read in it’s entirety, Podium remains a pleasure to make music on. Get it? Make music. We’re not blaming our tools are we?
Well said. Maybe I went overboard by saying what I said, but that’s basically what I meant also. Enjoy Podium for making music. If you don’t like Podium don’t USE Podium. I’m sure many of your parents or guardians taught you that when growing up. At least mine did.
“If you don’t like something, leave it alone, because messing with it will only make you even more upset“
And of course what my older brother has taught me too…
“If you are messing with something and it doesn’t satisfy you, leave it alone and come back to it on a later time when you have more patience. If not just leave the damn thing alone entirely and find something else.“