Zynewave.
LawrenceI like the Podium UI and have been playing with it a bit. It’s a little confusing to me.
Can someone explain to me the insert plug limitation? Is it true you can only have one per track?
bcgreenNope, you can have as many FX per track as you want…drag your effect from the list box to the left edge of the track header. You can continue dragging FX to the track in this manner….
Hope this helps…
Bryan
ZynewaveYou can replace the plugin assigned to the track, as Bryan describes, but you can only have one plugin assigned to a track. When you want to create effect chains, add bus sends etc., you set up nested tracks.
Conquistador@bcgreen wrote:
Nope, you can have as many FX per track as you want…drag your effect from the list box to the left edge of the track header. You can continue dragging FX to the track in this manner….
Hope this helps…
Bryan
I think while the representation graphically is like a single track the tracks are actually cleverly hidden. Right click on any of those new <<<< tracks you have just added and choose the Hide track lane option (it will already be ticked). Click on that option and the selected hidden track will now be visible. 😉
This is one of the reasons why the zGrid IMO is really hot property. It will bring track usage numbers in Podium down to levels that are comparable to other hosts.
If you use the recently added Group panel frequently, you might not make much use of the ZGrid as the Group panel provides a great way to *see* what is in those hidden tracks and practically removes the need to unhide them.
But I still think the zGrid is very big news indeed as a reduced track count in Podium for FX usage will really be a huge benefit IMO.
bcgreenInteresting…I never perceived multiple FX (on a single track) as separate tracks, but obviously they are, from looking at the hierarchy as represented in the mixer section.
Still, to avoid confusion for Lawrence, isn’t it “conceptually” true that in essence you can add multiple FX to a single track (even though technically they may actually reside on separate FX tracks)? Especially since each FX appears as a side-by-side vertical bar on the track they are applied to (in the track pane).
Thanks!
Bryan
ZynewaveStill, to avoid confusion for Lawrence, isn’t it “conceptually” true that in essence you can add multiple FX to a single track (even though technically they may actually reside on separate FX tracks)?
You could say that you can add multiple FX to a single track lane. The hide track lane option was implemented to allow a series of plugins to appear as they are on a single track. A track with a hidden lane is used as a modular building block rather than being used to hold events on the timeline.
Conquistador@bcgreen wrote:
Interesting…I never perceived multiple FX (on a single track) as separate tracks, but obviously they are, from looking at the hierarchy as represented in the mixer section.
Exactly. You can work with a single lane of tracks at track level (hidden) but still easily *see* what is in them in other places like the mixer and the group panel. It is a clever and flexible way of representing the tracks. But it will use more tracks than say Tracktion, Sonar Cubase e.t.c
This is where the zGrid comes in.
Still, to avoid confusion for Lawrence, isn’t it “conceptually” true that in essence you can add multiple FX to a single track (even though technically they may actually reside on separate FX tracks)? Especially since each FX appears as a side-by-side vertical bar on the track they are applied to (in the track pane).
Yes of course! 🙂 Once you have hidden the tracks they are effectively on the same lane and as a result one “group of tracks” (a single Track lane).
Also as Frits said…
The hide track lane option was implemented to allow a series of plugins to appear as they are on a single track.
The Group track feature really is IMO a sort of extension to the hide track lane option. But you are indeed working with tracks on the same “lane” so yes you can add multiple FX to a track lane (which cleverly graphically represents multiple tracks on the same lane).
But you cannot add multiple FX to a single track, only a track lane which is created automatically once you drag and drop an FX mapping for instance next to the edge of an existing track (letting go once the vertical strip highlight is visible). 😉
LawrenceOk, I get it. I was able to add FX by dropping on the edge as was described. Cool.
So you’re telling me that all those are actually seperate tracks?
Tell me about the zGrid… not familiar with that.
darcyb62@Lawrence wrote:
Ok, I get it. I was able to add FX by dropping on the edge as was described. Cool.
So you’re telling me that all those are actually seperate tracks?
Tell me about the zGrid… not familiar with that.
The use of the term “track” causes a lot of confusion with Podium. I like to think of it terms of a container and that container can hold different things. When you put all these containers together you get a track. I don’t like the way the term is used but I’ve come to live with it.
ZynewaveSo you’re telling me that all those are actually seperate tracks?
Yes. The name “track” may be a bit misleading in this context. It acts as a modular connection or node in the hieararchic midi/audio flow.
zGrid/zMatrix was discussed here:
LawrenceI see.
I really like the interface, it’s superb. The graphics, the layout, the sliding panels… really cool. The plugin chain thing though is… awkward.
I have three audio tracks loaded currently with a couple of plugs and it turns into 5 mixer channels. In a 24 track project I could see how managing that many layers of mixer channels just to have insert plugins could be a little difficult.
I feel like one of the most exciting UI’s I’ve ever seen on a daw is wasted on me due to this. I’ll like it much better when the zMatrix thing is implemented. Especially if I don’t have to look at every insert plugin as a track in the mixer.
As it is now it’s not viable for me. Why do I need to see 5 sets of stereo meters in the mixer for one audio track with 4 plugins? That seems like a waste. It also seems that adding a fader to an audio track enables automation, that you can’t use a fader to adjust levels without writing automation?
Daws drive me nuts… this one has the SWEETEST UI out there, but was disappointing for me in some of the choices made.
I’ll keep an eye on it though.
darcyb62Mixer channels can be minimized.
LawrenceEach individual channel? I can’t find that. I used the “Hide
Tracks in Group” menu item and it hid everything to the right of the plugin, the actual audio track on the right gets minimized.
Also, a plugin channel on the mixer that’s displaying metering and all that, is there a way to actually launch the plugin from there for tweaking? You’d think that since that channel represents a single plugin (and only that single plugin) I could double-click it or something to edit the plugin. Or am I missing something?
I love the UI and I want to love the application. Help me understand it.
ZynewaveWhen talking about the mixer, you have a point about too much space wasted on insert tracks that you may not want to see meters for. There are various ways of minimizing mixer strips that are in a collapsed group, but currently you cannot minimize individual mixer strips. I’ve been thinking about adding a right-click “mixer minimize” track option. It would behave similar to the normal minimize button on the track lane headers.
Also, a plugin channel on the mixer that’s displaying metering and all that, is there a way to actually launch the plugin from there for tweaking?
Yes. The plugin insert strips should have an “E” button that opens the editor.
ZynewaveAlso, try enabling the “compact chained audio tracks” option in the mixer view menu.