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  • November 21, 2012 at 19:58 #2849
    alex
    Participant

    http://www.waves.com/lp/black-friday/louder-pre.html

    edited to add:

    OneKnob Louder giveaway period is over.

    November 22, 2012 at 04:35 #22501
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Can anyone confirm that WAVES plugins even work in Podium? I know they don’t work in half the other DAWs, or you have to only use the DX version, or a wrapper, or you need to funnel money into their insane WUP program just to get any customer support, or, or . . .

    I know some people rate Waves plugins very highly, but I wouldn’t do any business with them if you paid me. They play proprietary games. Personally, I think their plugins are both ugly and very overrated.

    November 22, 2012 at 13:36 #22502
    alex
    Participant

    @The Telenator wrote:

    Can anyone confirm that WAVES plugins even work in Podium?

    I certainly can not, but since sobaca asked in this thread

    http://www.zynewave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2982

    why external sidechaining with C1 doesn’t work, for me, that means that he managed to load it and use it in Podium.

    They certainly work in your Reaper.

    I never tried one knobs plugins (there’re 5 of them in the bundle that costs $400). Those are all simplified versions of their old plugins , so you can expect this one to be L something (probably 2 or 3, because this plugin must have auto release). Btw, one knob thing started to happen with their signature series (haven’t tested, either, but I watched some videos and there is one knob “compress” or “bass” or “air” or “reverb” or whatever on those plugs.

    Some people call one knob plugins “plugins for idiots” since everything’s done with only one knob (and I tend to agree with them to some degree – those plugins are made for people who need quick solutions or don’t really know how to use eqs, compressors etc or think those plugins will help them sound like some of the famous engineers who put their names on those plugs).

    On the other hand, brickwall limiters are simple plugins, anyway (most of mastering limiters have auto release and this time they took care of ceiling also, so you actually work only with threshold).

    The first one knob plugin I’ve ever seen is Abbey Road Brilliance (I think). It’s actually emulation of a small box with only high filter in it, and in the old days, they made it to be able to carry it from room to room and try to give some more “professional” sound to mixes.

    @The Telenator wrote:

    I know some people rate Waves plugins very highly, but I wouldn’t do any business with them if you paid me.

    I am one of those people, as I’ve already said in the thread linked above and I also know some people think they are not good.

    However, I think this plugin is really a nice gift (both for those who like Waves plugins and those who don’t).

    @The Telenator wrote:

    Personally, I think their plugins are both ugly and very overrated.

    May I suggest that you simply don’t subscribe and download that plugin (you don’t even like it, you’re so concerned if it’s gonna work and I don’t think you can expect any costumer support from anybody, not only Waves for any free plugin (and in this case in those couple of days it is a free plugin).

    Cheers, Alex

    November 22, 2012 at 13:55 #22503
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Yes, I remember that thread. I checked on it and did learn that no iLok is required with the giveaway plugin and it is said to be compatible all ’round, but I will be passing on this offer. Thanks.

    November 22, 2012 at 22:15 #22505
    sobaka
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    http://www.waves.com/lp/black-friday/louder-pre.html

    Thanks for the news ,..good birthday gift 😀 …

    I only have 2 plugins from waves :
    С1 & Eddie Kramer on the Drum Channel
    and they work fine
    side – chain C1 is not working or am I doing wrong …

    settings in the Device Mapping :

    November 23, 2012 at 00:20 #22506
    alex
    Participant

    @sobaka wrote:

    Thanks for the news ,..good birthday gift 😀 …

    You’re welcome!

    @sobaka wrote:

    I only have 2 plugins from waves :
    С1 & Eddie Kramer on the Drum Channel
    and they work fine
    side – chain C1 is not working or am I doing wrong …

    As I’ve already told you: you’re doing nothing wrong – external side-chaining works only in PT, and that’s it. Sorry (I don’t like that limitation either, but that’s the way it is).

    Yes, I said couple of words about Signature Series.
    Eddie Kramer on the Drum Channel is one of one knob plugins (not literary, you have a few knobs on that plug, but that’s the same idea). You just have one knob for compressor (no attack time, release time, ratio, threshold…. ), one for gate (same thing), and one knob eq (no q or frequency) right? So, you just have to choose kick, snare, hats ….
    I’ve never had the chance to try some of Signature Series or OneKnob series plugins and don’t like the one knob idea so much tbh (don’t get me wrong, but I like to have many options, especially when were talking compressors and eqs), but just out of curiosity: Do they sound good? Do you feel limited by the lack of all controls for compressors, eqs etc?

    Cheers

    P.S. BTW, As I’ve already said, I think that one knob is enough for maximizer, limiter or whatever you might call it and I can hardly wait to try this one 😀 😀 😀

    November 23, 2012 at 01:13 #22507
    sobaka
    Participant

    sometimes the “one knob” enough, but I am sure that the more options the better the result will be …

    November 23, 2012 at 03:21 #22508
    alex
    Participant

    Well, that’s what I thought.

    I’ve already told you this – for external side-chaining, you should try Reacomp (the whole bundle is great):

    http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

    (just make sure to set Detector input to Auxiliary input L+R for external side-chaining)

    RadPhattPro (another great bundle)

    http://www.jeroenbreebaart.com/

    (you have sidech knob on this one)

    They both have pass filters on board and you can monitor the input ( Reacomp – Preview filter and RadPhattPro -Lstn).
    I know that C1 has more and better filters and split mode and …. , but you can use that anyway, that’s not so important for external side-chaining.

    Believe me, you may like those two just as much as you like C1.

    Cheers

    November 23, 2012 at 14:23 #22509
    alex
    Participant

    One more thing I want to tell you: external sidechaining in Podium is very simple. Let’s say you want to use the kick to duck the bass. Just go to Inspector (or mixer) and for the kick choose ”#1side in” instance of the compressor you want to use and ”#1” for the bass. Now, they make a single compressor. Send some signal from the kick and you’re good to go (not really, you still need to set compressor to work in external side chain mode, but that’s easy to do and different for different compressors. I’ve told you how it’s done with Reacomp and RadPhattPro).

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers!

    November 26, 2012 at 17:14 #22511
    alex
    Participant

    Has anybody managed to load OneKnob Louder into Podium? I haven’t, but I’ve managed to check it out 😀

    I was wrong when I guessed what this plugin would be. No L anything in it and no ceiling – it’s not a brickwall limiter and can clip.

    It makes things loud and sounds nice but when pushed hard it brings distortion and pumping (even before clipping). So, what’s it good for? As they say (nothing new), for tracks with weak level it’s better to increase RMS than just boost the peaks (which can be and is done with other compressors and limiters but this one makes it fast and easy to do). Other than that….. :-k …. I don’t know. Drum bus, maybe (wouldn’t be my first choice, though). However, it’s just me and I’m sure somebody will find it useful (I bet every DJ’s gonna love it, but we’re talking mixing here and not even live mixing).

    And let’s not forget – it’s a gift, so: Thanks Waves!

    BTW, Waves made me sad this time – Musician 2 bundle that contains Rcomp which I like so much and Req, Super Tap, Doubler … as a bonus, was offered for $49 (regular price $160) 😥 (flat broke these days). But, there’s always a next time :D…. (and it seems that Neve (40% off this time), SSL and API (also 40% off) will become affordable for me at some point (not anytime soon, unfortunately, but, one never knows….), and that’s what I really want to owe + Rcomp and both Rbass and MaxxBass…. :-k … L2 would also be nice … and … 😈 …. no, end of the list).

    So, I still like Waves plugins very much. I don’t like Signature and OneKnob series, though. And this makes me think of a question I asked once and nobody cared to answer:

    @alex wrote:

    So, now I see it this way – every once in a while I like to find a new plugin and play with it for some time, but I always come back to my old plugins when I do some serious work.

    And that brings me to a conclusion. I think everything’s gone far enough or maybe even as far as it gets. I mean, they can’t invent something really new so easily, can they? It’s not necessary a bad thing imo – what we can use for free or buy now is already great quality, and I can’t imagine it can be far better or different. What do you think about that?

    Cheers

    P.S. There’s a rumor that the upcoming one knob plugin will e mail your mix right to a real engineer :mrgreen:

    November 26, 2012 at 20:59 #22512
    buendiainside
    Participant

    @Alex wrote:

    Has anybody managed to load OneKnob Louder into Podium?

    Hi Alex,

    I have tried it and there’s no way of loading. But…
    @Alex wrote:

    I was wrong when I guessed what this plugin would be

    …well, I think I can manage without it… 😛

    November 28, 2012 at 22:26 #22515
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Sounds like everybody’s having loads of fun with the one-knob deal. Fortunately, my recording PC is off-line only, so I wasn’t about to go through any of this unless it was a top-notch freebie. But they want you to create an account and all that other nonsense. All together I was totally put off this “thank you, Waves, for the free gift’.

    Now, I’m as much of a hound for freeware as anyone here. I get a particular joy in finding things for free that often work as well or even better than the plugins all the snobs at forums such as Gearslutz (an apt name for that place IMO) make 30-page threads out of UAD compared to Waves, etc. Good for a laugh any time you’re bored.

    At this point, I think it’s well worth mentioning Stillwell and Scwa’s website. If you don’t mind paying perhaps as much as $35USD for some compressors that totally rival the gang of the $200-300 range of compressor plugins, this is the place.

    http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=28

    These guys are two of the devs for REAPER. Looking from their work on this highly respected and loved DAW onward to their plugin designs, It becomes very obvious that they know what they’re doing. Of course, if you still want free, you can always start with their collection of ReaPlugs. These work well in other DAWs besides REAPER, and practically every site (e.g., Bedroom Producers Blog) rates them in the top ten. But if you want better, I certainly suggest a test drive of these others. Their controls are numerous — no one-knobbing it here — and each suits its designed purpose extremely well. Although compressors/limiters is my fattest folder aside from instruments, I find I’m relying on Stillwell’s creations more and more to get the best possible sounds.

    Have a look if you aren’t familiar. They are hassle-free to install and test, no codes or registration needed to try them out. Being the freebie hound that I am, it is rare that I would suggest commercial plugins unless they were priced sanely and were some of the best.

    November 28, 2012 at 23:11 #22517
    alex
    Participant

    @The Telenator wrote:

    At this point, I think it’s well worth mentioning Stillwell and Scwa’s website. If you don’t mind paying perhaps as much as $35USD for some compressors that totally rival the gang of the $200-300 range of compressor plugins, this is the place.

    http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=28

    Good point. Great plugs. I still haven’t bought any of them and uninstalled them (even though they, just like REAPER, let you evaluate forever). And really, they’re more than reasonably priced.

    November 29, 2012 at 16:13 #22526
    alex
    Participant

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    November 29, 2012 at 18:38 #22530
    The Telenator
    Participant

    I’m not exactly sure what your question or point was, alex, and I’ve read your latest post here twice. If you are asking me if I think the price of certain plugins such as Waves are ridiculously overpriced I will respond with a resounding Yes!

    If you are wondering what I think of the quality of Waves plugins, I would have to be honest and say they are actually quite good but also require the prospective user to jump through a series of hoops to get full use or value out of them. Possibly the greatest offense by the Waves outfit is how some users are conned into believing they must join and pay for the WUP update program in order to get any timely support if ever needed (which some state has some truth to it), or that they must pay this annual fee in order to be allowed to update their plugins when new versions are made available (this part is patently false). Overall, there is an awful lot of needless confusion. If any plugin maker needed a good bit of debunking, Waves is a prime candidate.

    Nothing I’m saying here is anything new or original. This whole bit about these and certain other collections of plugins has already been debated on other forums ad nauseum. If you don’t see an active thread for it on a forum like Gearslutz, just wait a few days and someone will start one up again — rehashing the same tired old mantras and snobbery that is part and parcel to the Waves ownership experience.

    Considering that this thread really began as a ‘freeware plugin’ thread, I was of course a little hesitant to suggest commercial plugins to anyone as I did when mentioning those Stillwell compressors, but it was irresistible — I mentioned them as a perfect example of quality plugins that don’t require an outrageous investment and also don’t require any concern over which DAW is needed just to host them properly. Clearly, this shows Waves Inc. for what they are: a load of hype, confusion and nonsense. It is laughable to consider that one needs to purchase a DAW costing from $1000 to $10,000 to get full use out of a handful of plugins.

    I think it is commendable that you are supporting yourself through playing music. Welcome to the club. If you feel that gives you some special insight in plugin selection I will have to take your word for it. Note that I’m not disputing whether the Waves plugins with more than one knob to them work or not, either — they do. My interest lies instead with their pricing schemes and the con game they have played with their customers for the last 10 years or so.

    One of my goals has always been to save younger musicians and sound professionals from unnecessary time and trouble (and money). I really don’t believe the younger generations must ‘learn it all the hard way’, as some of us old dogs did. This is not about ‘paying one’s dues’, it is more about not falling prey to the various myths that persist in this dodgy business. If you don’t believe me, I can offer you a $200 guitar cable or two for your purchase. I might also caution against too much unwarranted brand loyalty. Instead, use what works and at the best price, for the rest is marketing rubbish and mythology.

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