Topic: Frankly I’m amazed…

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  • #1513
    Conquistador
    Participant

    elfan made a staggering comment in his Is Podium the host for me? thread. I say staggering because after all this time I thought the problem he seemed to refer to was long gone… so what did he say that was such a surprise?

    “After having spent more than an hour without getting any sound”

    As anyone can see in the thread he was actually very pleased with Podium overall but that statement truly amazed me. How could it have taken that long? Especially after so much work was done to eliminate the problem in response to user feedback. I decided to try and see why that problem could occur after all the changes made to avoid it…

    The Problem:
    I don’t think it is the Project Start page. That is as slick, indeed slicker that any host I know of. I think it’s the monitor button. I opened up a previous project and Podium of course will not start with the monitor button on, I know why it is this way and it does not necessarily have to change so that is not what this thread is about.

    The problem is if a new user demos Podium he may very likely do this…

    1. Go through the project start page process (very easy IMO). Especially with the recently added pop ups.

    2. Get to the arrangement he has created…

    3. Drag in an Instrument mapping to a track or go through the Instrument / Return right click route.

    Now point no.4 is where I think many people who demo Podium even now are getting lost, get stuck or totally give up…

    4.
    a.They do not hit the play button once an instrument is mapped to a track. Which will start Podiums engine.
    b.They do not touch the monitor button once after they have added an instrument to a track. This of course also starts Podiums engine.

    So what happens when they start playing their keyboards… Podiums midi indicator will flash giving the impression all is well. So far so good. But no sound will be generated. Huh? Problem.

    As Podium AFAICT is the only host that works in this way I can see why a user would *not* simply think “oh it’s probably the monitor or play button”. It is a bit unusual to require hitting either of those buttons first to get sound even if I understand why you have set Podium up this way.

    To make matters worse a users cursor may not pass over the monitor button to see the message that will pop up until after a very long time. “…an hour” maybe?

    I gave up after a similar time frame years ago when I first tried the Podium demo and did not try it again for 12 months. Interestingly Reaper rose to fame in about that same time period from practically nothing.

    elfan is IMO one of few people who will take the time to say he could not get any sound after a crazy length of time. Many like me years ago will say nothing and quietly move on. Too busy. “I guess it’s not that easy to use”. It was only a user tutorial and my determination to try again that resulted in me getting any sound and buying Podium soon afterwards.

    But I soon realised that only a miniority would be that persistent. Even less would let you know of the “sound issue” on this forum.

    Problem solving:
    1.When a user first gets into their new arrangement Podium should show the pop up message on the monitor button without a user having to roll over it with a cursor first.

    There are many things that seem so obvious and easy to a regular user but a new user is likely coming from a different mindset based on their experiences with their existing host and will likely *not* do what seems obvious to a frequent user of Podium.

    So the pop up then disappears once the user have clicked on that button. It cannot even possibly lead to an irritation as they will get no sound if they do not click that button anyway. The play button also starts Podium’s engine but the monitor button pop up message IMO needs to be the one to focus on.

    2. Remove the monitor pop up message from the Switch Pop up help on/off list. A user can easily browse around their arrangement get tired of pop ups if they generally do not like them and eliminate the only way they will find out how to get any sound out of Podium (the pop up message on the monitor button). It seems obvious to click the button but clearly it is not. With pop up help switched off they will never see that pop up.

    3. The choice of words in the current Monitor button popup is a bit technical. A simple “Click on the Monitor button to enable sound in Podium” is quite adequate it is also straight to the point. The current message is too long and may even confuse IMO.

    The issue IMO is a very serious one. There are plenty of other hosts out there. A little adjustment here and there and this likely very costly problem should finally be totally eliminated.

    HTH.

    #11611
    UncleAge
    Participant

    @Conquistador wrote:

    Now point no.4 is where I think many people who demo Podium even now are getting lost, get stuck or totally give up…

    4.
    a.They do not hit the play button once an instrument is mapped to a track. Which will start Podiums engine.
    b.They do not touch the monitor button once after they have added an instrument to a track. This of course also starts Podiums engine.

    Bingo. Same thing happened to me as well. I often use my host as a sketch pad for piano/keys and such long before starting to play/record items in the timeline. I think your observation and suggestion is a good one.

    #11680
    musicmakeruk
    Participant

    Maybe a pop up window would be better. There’d be an option to display or not display this window at start up.

    Even now I sometimes forget to hit the power button and wonder why I’m getting no sound.

    #11692
    rinxai
    Participant

    @blackstar wrote:

    Maybe a pop up window would be better.

    Yes, good idea.

    There is this Quickstart created by ScamArtist. Perhaps an up to date version of this Quickstart Guide could be placed in a pop up as well in a PDF document included with the download of both new demos and update releases. This may make a positive difference for the Podium beginner experience.

    #11701
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @UncleAge wrote:

    Bingo. Same thing happened to me as well. I often use my host as a sketch pad for piano/keys and such long before starting to play/record items in the timeline. I think your observation and suggestion is a good one.

    Cheers. 🙂 It is good to identify what the problem is now. Hopefully Frits can address this problem or refine the existing solution in Podium to make the process of getting sound out of it a bit more obvious.

    @blackstar wrote:

    Even now I sometimes forget to hit the power button and wonder why I’m getting no sound.

    I am used to it now but I also still have to remember at times. Especially if I have just used another host..in my case P5 and Sonar.

    @rinxai wrote:

    There is this Quickstart created by ScamArtist.

    Going way back in time for me there. That was the quick start guide that got me past my failed attempts to get sound out of Podium. 🙂 Yes it probably should be updated.

    #11771
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    I have made some changes for the next 1.98 release:

    Added “activate power when opening arrangement editor” option to the preferences dialog. This option is on by default.

    The power button will pulsate when it is not selected. That should draw attention to it if you forgot to enable it.

    I’m also considering renaming the button from “Monitor” to “Power”. Enabling monitoring is only part of its purpose. “Power” more correctly covers the loading/unloading of plugins.

    #11772
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I have made some changes for the next 1.98 release:

    Added “activate power when opening arrangement editor” option to the preferences dialog. This option is on by default.

    Excellent thanks.

    The power button will pulsate when it is not selected. That should draw attention to it if you forgot to enable it.

    Yes that is a clear yet stylish way of doing it. Very nice.

    I’m also considering renaming the button from “Monitor” to “Power”. Enabling monitoring is only part of its purpose. “Power” more correctly covers the loading/unloading of plugins.

    Agreed.

    I think you have addressed the issues raised in this thread really well Frits. I would say that Podium is IMO the easiest host to get started with now. The combination of the excellent project start page (lovely work there) and now the changes you have mentioned here really lower the entry point to ground level.

    While a new user is always likely to have questions initially, based on my own experience with a number of major hosts and those with a lower price tag, I really think Podium has to be IMO the easiest host to get to grips with.

    It will be even easier for new and even existing users to get up and running now. Brilliant.

    To put it into perspective if these features were there when I first started my initial demo of Podium I would have bought it the same day. Really easy to get into and looks great. 🙂

    #11776
    Vitaly
    Participant

    What is the benefit of having the Monitor(Power) button, anyway? (I’ve just started demoing Podium)

    Thanks,
    Vitaly.

    #11777
    rinxai
    Participant

    @Vitaly wrote:

    What is the benefit of having the Monitor(Power) button, anyway? (I’ve just started demoing Podium)

    Thanks,
    Vitaly.

    I find it useful for quickly resetting plugins that misbehave, as although Podium is quite good at keeping itself together when a plugin falls over, the monitor button is very handy for saving ones ears and speakers.

    Also, as my PC is not the most up to date, the Monitor button is useful when I need to switch over to another application/process while keeping Podium open but off, which frees up considerable cpu depending on what vsts are loaded.

    #11778
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @Vitaly wrote:

    What is the benefit of having the Monitor(Power) button, anyway? (I’ve just started demoing Podium)

    What rinxai said, plus:

    Since Podium projects can contain multiple arrangements which can be shown in multiple arrangement editor windows simultaneously, there has to be a way that the user can control which arrangement should use the MIDI/audio interfaces. Thus the power button.

    Also, if your project e.g. contains a set of songs for an entire album, it saves a lot of time and memory that Podium does not have to load the plugins for all the arrangements when loading the project.

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