Topic: How well known is Podium in the DAW world?

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  • #2898
    adimatis
    Participant

    Hi all,

    Thinking how many user of Podium are out there, it occured to me that Podium as a product and/or Zynewave as company is very little mentioned in discussions, forum threads, magazines (at all?) or review specialized websites, in comparison with other DAWs like Tracktion or Mixcraft or even MuLab.

    I can only start from the premisses that a well known DAW, with many (happy) users, will get to become a major player in the arena. Podium most certainly offers alot and it is really a pitty that it still is very much a hidden treasure and does not get the spotlight as it deserves.

    So, what can be done in order to make Podium better known and apreciated?

    1. Spread the word on forums?
    2. Pay little adds on specialized sites?
    3. Pay articles/publicity in magazines?
    4. Get a great song or more, produced in Podium exclusively and promote the material?
    5. Get a well known name in the industry to experiment and testify about Podium?
    6. Make a very active Facebook campaign?
    7. Get a marketing person in the team?
    8. What else?

    Or is it NOW the time for Podium to get to a next stage? Is the development going toward getting more important in the industry or is Podium willingly staying at the level where it is now?

    Personally, I’d like to see things happening with Podium! Good things!

    What you all think about this?

    #22874
    MLS
    Participant

    As a user: 1,4,6

    As a company (Zynewave): 2,3,5

    As I wrote in other topic/post, I think the advertising and visibility are the really important things on which to focus and that have become indispensable.

    These must be accompanied by updates of the program (small, but continuous/constant).

    Beyond utility(?), it would be wonderful if Podium was used by a famous producer/artist. I think it would be a spot of great impact. 😉

    #22875
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Hmm, I don’t know about rating with numbers here. Nothing wrong with that, but I think I’d rather just post my opinion in general. I’ve given this whole issue an awful lot of thought, probably starting from the day I decided to license my Podium and give it a full go as my main DAW. Like every other DAW I’ve tested or used at any length, I soon found that I really need a two-DAW situation to get everything I need done, but I’ll say exactly the same for REAPER and any other I’ve had (I’m originally a Cubase refugee).

    After long consideration, this is my stance on Zynewave and this wonderful Podium:

    If Frits seemed to me to really want to push this product hard and had some kind of clear plan and rough schedule of coming improvements, then I would talk this Podium up a lot more than I do. As it is now, I’ll mention Podium in various threads where people are discussing which other DAWs they use and like. More and more infrequently, I’ll also say a few brief words about why I like Podium so much.

    But I am somewhat double-minded about this. Honestly, as I’ve reached the stage of knowing just about everything about Podium, I’d just as soon that certain other musicians didn’t know about it. I suppose if I were just engineering somewhere — just another cog in the gears of some big studio crew — I wouldn’t care at all about what software anyone uses, but since I am still in the business as a musician and a creative artist I have become much less outgoing and public about the things I use to achieve the sounds I seek.

    I’m even guilty of subterfuge — you’ve got people raving on about some instrument, FX or especially some touted brand of plugins, and I don’t even bother to chime in and explain any weaknesses I’ve found or what crap the software might be. I say, wow! buy it! — let them spend $400-500 on a DAW that doesn’t work any better than Podium (some, far worse!) and let them spend $200 and up for ‘name’ plugins when I have free or $20 ones that actually work better. How comical and sad to see people waste loads of money and their time, then read them fanboi about it in some ridiculous thread.

    This reticence doesn’t apply to friends and colleagues, but I apply this to items beyond Podium. I’ll post cool discoveries, whether effects or instruments I’ve come across, in the Zynewave Forums here but won’t bother to say even a word on any other boards. Of course, some of the more active forums don’t need much ‘help’; even so, I find things get overlooked sometimes on these. Another reason is attitude — I believe very strongly in the command to not ‘throw pearls to swine’, and the sort of behavior I find in some places encourages me to avoid any mention of anything that might give a leg up. It’s just not worth the trouble, if you ask me. I don’t look at music as a competition, but it must be admitted that there is a competitive nature and especially in our current era.

    So, if Frits and the small, dedicated and rather quiet lot of you are content to have Podium cruise along somewhat ‘under the radar’ just like it does these days, then I am most happy to oblige.

    #22876
    adimatis
    Participant

    Yes, good points.

    I did not intend at all a poll situation, but rather issues to think about… I for one would be very much in favour of Podium getting well known and becoming big(ger). Why? Two reasons, both genuine and honest:

    1. Because I believe Frits, as a developer, would deserve to get a better recognition of his work and be rewarded accordingly, and because Podium is just so good and lovely to work with (subjectively, I suppose).

    2. Because that will impose a more committed and visible policy of adding new and necessary features, updates that fixes. And I think Podium could have a very very strong position among the under 100$ DAWs, if it was the case.

    One could ask why did not I licenced my Podium if I so much wanted to help the cause. Simply because I did not find with it THE one, or two features that I need and are essential in my oppinion. You see, I don’t want to have to use two DAWs to get my music work done. It’s almost like a sacrilege to me, especially since there are other DAWs that do offer those basic features.

    In the same time, I feel at home most of the times with how Podium works and I want so badly to only use this one DAW that it makes me itchy! 😉 That’s why I’d push Frits to add some things in if I could – but obviously that is silly thinking. I am honest though.

    #22877
    The Telenator
    Participant

    Some very valid points you have here that I am overlooking. Certainly, I think we would all like to see Frits atop a powerful little company and doing great financially. Exposure and use leads to many things, the most basic of which is possibly price support. Let’s be honest, as both DAWs Podium and REAPER are worth (my estimate) more like $200 as is at the very least. Just compare them with some of the other junk that is out there.

    Next, greater interest and purchase always leads to something. I would expect a course of improvements in features, perhaps a half dozen or so big and small each year over the next few years. I really tend to forget about this most likely scenario.

    I mentioned licensing only in passing. First, I had no real choice; I can’t risk running any DAW on a single core. My audio computer is doing ‘okay’ but I’m constantly pushing its dual core to the edge, and I truly need to replace it later this year. (Here comes another season of ramen noodles and peanut butter sandwiches.) The other thing was that I am a sucker for cheap software. I can’t tell you how many $20 to $30 synths I’ve picked up along the way. They drop some $100+ thing down cheap and I’ll buy it. Considering how pretty Podium appeared, back before I even knew how well-thought out it was, buying it was without a second thought.

    Yes, I completely agree, it has some real eye-poking features missing, but so does REAPER, another DAW that costs less than a night out on the town or a dinner for two. The more I’ve tried and seen the other much more expensive options the more things I have found these others lacking. Face it, they are all flawed, a few of them horribly. Just for good example, the source code for Cakewalks’ SONAR is so old the newer devs don’t even know what they’re doing half the time. What exciting new bugs they create every time they go in to ‘fix’ something!

    If I had the time, or perhaps someday I will, I want to post a concise list of all the things wrong with, let’s say, the top-selling or most popular dozen DAWs. I really think it would blow the average newbie’s mind.

    #22927
    shaunthesheep
    Participant

    I discovered Podium yesterday in the audio section of the Lightworks NLE forum. It was recommended by an existing user. Word is spreading. I have also tweeted about it.

    #22928
    adimatis
    Participant

    Welcome aboard! 😉
    You’ll so love the simplicity and ease with Podium – just do not give up if it does not feel totally comfortable immediately. It is actually a great great program! Enjoy!

    #22930
    Jiri_Smolik
    Participant

    I can’t speak for the entire world, but as far as I am aware of amateur musicians in my country, they tend to get “pro” DAW via warez sites to have as good sound as possible…getting features they do not need, not being able to understand basics because of their complexity, wasting time by creating music that has no quality at all because of their false belief in DAW’s brand name.
    I remember Brambos’s Tuareg which was quite capable for being a freeware. It is not a DAW (more like a sequencer/sampler hybrid), but it is possible to make an alright piece of music if you spend some time and/or you have enough skill to work with it. And consider capabilities of Podium FREE for the price. Frankly, there is almost no information about these softs on czech forums. It is a bit sad not many people are interested in cheaper/freeware solutions rather than warez. 🙁 I wish more people would stop thinking about pro software as a “god’s device” and start to realize software is just a tool, not a magic spell to make good stuff.

    #22932
    adimatis
    Participant

    @Jiri_Smolik wrote:

    I can’t speak for the entire world, but as far as I am aware of amateur musicians in my country, they tend to get “pro” DAW via warez sites to have as good sound as possible…

    …there is almost no information about these softs on czech forums. It is a bit sad not many people are interested in cheaper/freeware solutions rather than warez.

    True. The same in Romania. And I do agree with you.

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