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adimatisHi there!
I know the updates of the program were talked numerous times, and I red about the fact that the Podium updates are not so regular, neither have the same load of new features, and even the version number does not mean much.
I understand and it’s fine. But right now, I am at the point when I need to take some decisions about the route I’ll go concerning the DAW I will use for the future. Because my time for using (and obviously becoming more familiar with) the sequencer I will choose is quite limited, I need to decide and focus on one sinlge aplication. My needs are rather simple and Podium is my first choise, because it’s friendly, clear, streightforward interface and it beautifully matches my own workflow and system.
But there are some things I need and while I prefer Podium, I might have to go with Reaper simply because of these:
– time-stretching
– the option for an external audio editor from within the application
– the dithering options when rendering
There are also other features I need, but I can do without, I can find workarounds. But these I really need, and eventually I have to go back to other aplications, because Podium wont do it for me.
My question is: do we have at least a rough idea of when the timestretching will be introduced? This year? Five years? 😉 I know is hard to advance a exact date, so I don’t ask for that, but please advice and help me (please-please-please) continue using and learning Podium.
Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks!
Once again, wonderful work Podium is, but not complete yet. The slow development it’s an issue, but as far as essential features like these are implemented, I can wait a little bit longer! Thank you !
LionWhy do people keep saying Dithering is a must have when there is no audible difference???
adimatisBecause “audible difference” is something subjective. You might not need it. I need it. 😉
ZynewaveUnfortunately, I don’t know when implementation of time-stretching will begin. Right now, my todo-list is overflowing with minor things that have been requested over the years, and I intend to thin out that list before I start on new major features. I doubt that time-stretching will be implemented this year.
adimatisI appreciate the honest answer! I really do. I will keep an eye – as I do everyday – on this forum, waiting for these updates.
I spent some more time with Podium and I feel the same: it’s a wonderful work in progress, I am trying to get some work done with it, and I am still very determined that at one point I’ll be able to pay for the licence. Please do not stop the development of the big things, and if you can, please keep this time-stretching algorithm development as a priority!
Thank you!
kozabergerHi All, I am new to this forum, greetings from Poland 🙂
To the subject – I will probably buy Podium as soon as I have collected money. Time stretching is not critical for me (I’d rather opt for sample rate conversion). However, Zynewave, would you consider using an external library like:
http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/
Maybe it would spare you some development? Just a guess, I am not a programmer.
Anyway thanks for the great work on Podium and generousity with Podium Free!
adimatisnice one!
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Zynewave@kozaberger wrote:
Hi All, I am new to this forum, greetings from Poland 🙂
To the subject – I will probably buy Podium as soon as I have collected money. Time stretching is not critical for me (I’d rather opt for sample rate conversion). However, Zynewave, would you consider using an external library like:
http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/Maybe it would spare you some development? Just a guess, I am not a programmer.
Anyway thanks for the great work on Podium and generousity with Podium Free!
Hi, welcome to the forum.
Thanks for the link. I already have a simple technology for time-stretching, similar to what this library offers, although my technology is probably lower quality. What is going to require a lot of development time, is integrating it into the Podium UI and audio engine.
michi_mak@Zynewave wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t know when implementation of time-stretching will begin. Right now, my todo-list is overflowing with minor things that have been requested over the years, and I intend to thin out that list before I start on new major features. I doubt that time-stretching will be implemented this year.
Frits, would you mind giving some rough ideas about this to-do list???
PulseRight now, my todo-list is overflowing with minor things that have been requested over the years, and I intend to thin out that list before I start on new major features.
The best thing to do at the moment as well IMHO, so a big thumbs up Frits.
As for the time-stretching craving choir; there are alternatives guys. Of course the needs and requirements may differ from person to person, yet there is an amazing (at least to my needs, tastes, workflow and musical style) third party software, that should be beyond enough for the time being, until native time-stretching arrive to Podium (and even after that).
Paul’s Extreme Sound Stretch
The official site:
http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/
And in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPQ92u2P4is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnbMCA_mYI
Perfect for sound design and unleashing the creativity.
(Personal Rationalizing)
I have always thought of time-stretching as being one of the many factors, stages, tools for sound design and heavy manipulation of pre-synthesized sounds, rather than just stretching a sample by 0.2% just to visually fit and snap to the grid. It is much much more, and Paul Stretch handles it greatly.
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Oh, a very important thing to say – It is Free!
– the option for an external audio editor from within the application
Why not complement this “shortage” with:
– Audacity – http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
– Wavosaur – http://www.wavosaur.com/
Again, both are Freeware.
The only inconvenience (to some extent) can be that all of these apps will require work outside Podium, therefore, numerous imports and exports of wave files.
This complementary setup works more than satisfactory for me, so…just some alternatives to consider.
Note to Frits:
The algorithm/code of Paul Stretch is open source, and the Windows binary is available for free on the site. So…why not 🙂
Peace
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adimatisYeah, it’s all good, thanks for the link and suggestion.
For an external editor, Wavosaur is my choice, I am familiar with and like the owrkflow. My request would be exactly that you could open Wavosaur from within Podium.
For simple editing, I find Podium Editor quite allright, but it simply does not provide enough options for a real editing, beyond the very basics. Most of all, I need to be able to modify destructively a wave form, to add effects, modify the structure of the audio and so on.
As for time-stretching, whatever options there might be they are all fine, but… I simply want to be able to take a loop, drag it’s margin while pressing Alt and fit to the tempo in Podium! 🙂 No need for fancy “sound design”. I just need to be able to use a 100 bpm loop into a 120 bpm project in Podium without so much of a headache. Something like that. That is why I said whatever alghoritm Frits comes up with is fine, as long as I could do simple stretching while maintaining the pitch.
Whatever it works… Thanks for suggestion thou!
PulseI simply want to be able to take a loop, drag it’s margin while pressing Alt and fit to the tempo in Podium! No need for fancy “sound design”. I just need to be able to use a 100 bpm loop into a 120 bpm project in Podium…
Well, I may have overlooked this particular application of time-stretching. Thanks for the heads up adimatis. Maybe because I never use loops, yet I can perfectly understand you so +1 for that!
Now that I think about it, Paul’s Extreme stretch is, well, for extreme metamorphosis and not the best choice for tempo-matching per se.
So here’s another Free and Open-source Time-stretching engine, created exactly for time, tempo and pitch stretching/matching/shifting.
SoundTouch Library:
http://www.surina.net/soundtouch/
I see that REAPER uses the same engine for its time-stretching as well.
And the audio demos are IMO amazing.
My request would be exactly that you could open Wavosaur from within Podium.
Oh, spot-on! I was considering whether to start or not a topic solely on this (and some others) wild idea 🙂 I cannot help but think what would become if Frits joined forces with Wavosaur, Antress, Variety of Sound, Togu Audio Line, Fuzzpillz and other great Freeware developers…..Maybe too far-fetched, yet…one can only dream right, dreams don’t come with a price tag (for now)…
Another note to Frits:
Just like Paul’s Extreme Stretch, SoundTouch is Open source and free for download from their site. I can only imagine the great result once both of these engines are implemented, one for more elaborate and deep work, the other for generic and everyday use, thus making everybody happy, and offering great diversity. And all for free, without having to pay the monstrous amounts of money the “big players”require. 😯
Peace
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adimatisWhen I think more and more about all of these, I think they are not so impossible to implement.
Even the Zynewave property time-stretching algorithm that Frits was talking about, same or similar to what pitch change does now in Podium, could work satisfactory for resonable amount of up speed or down speed. If that is not very appropriate, open source time-stretching could be an option, even more so if they were really free (or resonable cost) for an application like Podium.
In my oppinion, which obviously is just MY oppinion but might be more people’s oppinion, the time-stretching really should be the first major feature to implement.
About the Audio editor, if Podiums was offering just a little bit more options, I must say I could happily give-up on the need for an external editor.
In the end, I just want to reiterate: Podium is GREAT! I love it, I want to grow on and with it, and I trust the future development will only make me even more willing. It’s just that I’d like that sooner than later! 😉
Zynewave@michi_mak wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t know when implementation of time-stretching will begin. Right now, my todo-list is overflowing with minor things that have been requested over the years, and I intend to thin out that list before I start on new major features. I doubt that time-stretching will be implemented this year.
Frits, would you mind giving some rough ideas about this to-do list???
I keep a list of bookmarks to topics in this forum that deal with stuff I agree should be improved/fixed. This list has currently grown to 50 topics. To keep my sanity, I’d like to thin out this list before moving on to new major features.
michi_mak@Zynewave wrote:
@michi_mak wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t know when implementation of time-stretching will begin. Right now, my todo-list is overflowing with minor things that have been requested over the years, and I intend to thin out that list before I start on new major features. I doubt that time-stretching will be implemented this year.
Frits, would you mind giving some rough ideas about this to-do list???
I keep a list of bookmarks to topics in this forum that deal with stuff I agree should be improved/fixed. This list has currently grown to 50 topics. To keep my sanity, I’d like to thin out this list before moving on to new major features.
Frits, thanks for explaining but i’m still curious about this 50 topics ( which 50 topics that is ) 🙂