Topic: Insert rubato

This topic contains 4 replies, has 2 voices, and was last updated by  z_sfyr 9 months, 1 week ago.

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  • #35029

    z_sfyr
    Participant

    Hi all. I’m in a situation where I want to insert a few seconds into the timeline – in “free” time, or rubato, and then have the 1st beat of the next bar pick up where the rubato section ends. At the moment I get close by adding in a bar of 2/4 or 5/4 or whatever, and then futzing with the tempo of that bar until it approximates the time length I require. But is it possible to just insert,say, 2.75 seconds? If not, is it a possibilty for the next update? A lot of music has this “feel” aspect, but it’s not really compatible with the strict beat/bar timeline. Any tips?

    #35072

    Levendis
    Participant

    Though the following isn’t verbose on time (in seconds), it is an alternative to an automation curve for tempo. So there’s no ramped transition of tempo.
    This gives a measure of silence. Adjusting the tempo yields a length of silence independent of the tempo at either side.
    The timeline ruler doesn’t scale visually, but the tempo does shift, even if the numbers don’t match the logic.
    In other words, you’re using the right method.

    #35073

    z_sfyr
    Participant

    Thanks Levendis. This is pretty much what I’m doing, & practically speaking, it works. Being somewhat “old school”, I actually rather like inventing workarounds. This was normal in the days before automation etc. The idea of just inserting a given amount of time in seconds, independent of bars & beats seems like a simple feature to implement, & certainly would find use in many genres. I wonder if it might be useful to survey Podium users to see how many people use strict bar/beat time & how many have a use for more organic time requirements. There are times when I’ve been producing,say, Hip Hop & it’s all tightly synchronized. Other times when I use Podium more like a digital tape machine with no adherence at all to the tempo grid.

    #35074

    Levendis
    Participant

    Upon creation of an arrangement, you’re able to choose a time format.

    As submission to the informal survey, which you’ve proposed, i’d not likely make use of alternating between time formats within one arrangement. More useful would be to have a tempo automation curve in tempo based arrangements. i do appreciate, however, that stretched samples would preferably need to conform to such transitions.

    Using the H:M:S:ms time format would be my choice for working with stems of live recordings, or syncing video to audio.

    #35075

    z_sfyr
    Participant

    There are so many different ways of working within a DAW. I personally find samples to be overly static sounding, & avoid them for the most part in preference to “Romplers” which often provide round robin triggering, & allow for MIDI control.
    I am specifically referring to rubato – not a tempo automation curve, but literally a section of time where the musical phrase is played in an interpretive free time. For instance, the song stops for a moment, a little lick is played in free time & followed by the beat/bars becoming “a tempo” at the end of that section, such that a MIDI drum clip could kick back in at that point. An automation curve for tempo would certainly be useful, but your previous solution is closer to the mark for this situation. Cheers ☺

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