Topic: Is Podium Dead?

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  • #2921
    Azure
    Participant

    I’ve been using Podium Free now for about 1 whole year. Love the look-and-feel, about as intuitive as it gets. As time turned out I have recorded a whole album featuring 12 original songs using Podium. But I have encountered problems…

    1) About 9 of my best plugins do not work in Podium – if I try to load them Podium will crash, and then add them to the quarantine list. These plugins have worked faithfully in all other full-featured and limited DAWs I’ve used.

    2) Lack of multiprocessing is horrible for this product since when it overloads it manages to restart my whole computer (8GB DDR3 RAM, Intel i3-2120 @ 3.30Ghz) and NOT save my project file beforehand.

    3) The forum is about dead. Last post on the “Podium Free releases” thread was back in the winter of 2011.

    4) The Full Version of Podium costs 50$ but yet does not include updates past the first year. This is NOT good – and since when did you see updates last anyway? This is not Pro Tools – why such a high upgrade rate? There are DAWs have updates for free, are packed with features to begin with, and come with an extremely low selling cost.

    5) You cannot (in my experience) copy-and-paste effect racks, effect settings, or any of the sort from one Bus or Track to another. Not good. The nuisance of getting the settings right every time you open a new project with plugins that don’t save presets is deplorable.

    I’m glad that I waited before choosing which DAW to purchase; I would not have spotted these problems if I had not personally used the program for a good while. I really DO love the interface more than anything else, it’s a shame to have to leave this program to stand in a corner. If anyone can a) help/fix my problems or b) correct my error please do so. If not, I’ll be purchasing a DAW that is more worthy. πŸ˜• πŸ˜•

    #23008
    Pulse
    Participant

    Don’t know what to say Azure, I’ve been having my doubts as of late as well.

    As to the lack of multiprocessing – well, this IS the limitation you know. In all fairness Podium free is the most generous DAW out there, (go and try those track-limited free DAWs with their 4 or 8 tracks and 4-5 vsts per project – completely useless) so this criticism is a bit unfair.

    All other point you raise actually hold ground though (unfortunately). There’s still work to be done in order to bring Podium “up there” with the rest.

    So, it’s your call really. Assess your needs (not desires) and act accordingly.

    The idea of a second DAW seems ever so alluring now to me as well TBH.

    All the Best

    #23009
    adimatis
    Participant

    πŸ˜‰
    I was there a few months ago…

    Well, for Podium Free, this is really no-issue I’m afraid. It IS the most generous FREE aplication. By far. I can only say Thank you a million Frits for Podium Free!!!

    As for Podum as a paid for DAW… Indeed, seeing such a slow development will make you think is a dead duck. There are some very basic (found in almost all DAWs) features, like multiple track selection, effects copy/paste, time-stretching, etc that are missing and some were requested for many years. Seeing this, I was not in a hurry to become a licenced user – but I will become once some serious development will take place.

    I do not think Podium is at all dead. The best example is Wavosaur – the forum dead like really dead, not like this forum which is still breathing, no updates, everyone was sure Wavosaur is gone. Yet, out of blue, after about three years, the updates started to be available again, bring in many improvements.

    So, because Zynewave it’s a one-man team, I’ve come to realize that Podium development is very dependent on the available time and resources of it’s developer. It will never become (I dont’ think) a real competition to other more commercial DAWs, but rather will for ever has it’s own development pace, obviously slower than what we’d all like, but nevertheless existent.

    I am absolutely sure that Frits will continue working on new improvements.

    The only regret that I have it’s that Podium can not yet be used as a single DAW aplication. At this point in time, for one task or another, you need to use some other piece of software too. I don’t like that, but it’s a fact.

    Anyway, stick to it. Updates and upgrades will come. In the meanwhile, enjoy the work with Podium (Free) as much as you can.

    Cheers,
    Adi

    #23010
    alex
    Participant

    @Azure wrote:

    2) Lack of multiprocessing is horrible for this product since when it overloads it manages to restart my whole computer (8GB DDR3 RAM, Intel i3-2120 @ 3.30Ghz) and NOT save my project file beforehand.

    You could show some gratitude for being allowed to use someone’s software for free. In all your posts you’re either asking for help or whining about something, never a single post to help somebody or share about a new free plugin or whatever.

    Other than that, what you wrote is truth and been already said bazillion times before and in the nice, constructive way, not – MY plugins don’ work, MY computer…. Who cares.

    Yes, as a paid product, Podium is dead IMO, but that doesn’t concern you (or me), since you haven’t bought the license.

    #23011
    Slomo
    Participant

    Hehe, it’s quite remarkable, this “Give me more for free or I’ll take my business elsewhere” attitude..

    What do you say, I’ll hire you for free and then complain when you not work hard enough?

    #23012
    Azure
    Participant

    πŸ™‚ I must say that I’ve have had a number of problems since I started. It’s not that I’m ungrateful; it’s that I have been a beginner, and things like this are a) things that I don’t know how to solve, or
    b) things that I feel like I don’t know how to ask anywhere else but here (it’s the Podium forum anyways πŸ˜‰ ) .

    There are times where the only person you think you can help is youself – since my knowledge level has been low in this area. I’ve appreciated your feedback here – one of the guys I still remember is Telenator (I think he’s still around).. Ha ha.

    I also had to “outsource” and use other DAWs while editing with Podium, but it didn’t bother me as much – I didn’t include it in my list. πŸ™‚ But like I said, I haven’t “bought it” to anything as of yet – if I see just one of these my problems fixed I’ll be on my way almost assuredly to keep and use Podium forever. πŸ™‚

    Okay… Let’s see.. I know that multiprocessing is available on Podium… So, the crashes would be gone. I’d bet the plugin problems would be gone too. 8)

    As to the lack of multiprocessing – well, this IS the limitation you know. In all fairness Podium free is the most generous DAW out there, (go and try those track-limited free DAWs with their 4 or 8 tracks and 4-5 vsts per project – completely useless) so this criticism is a bit unfair.

    Quote:
    I love the unlimited tracks, of which I have used without hesitation (Reaper by Cockos I believe has the same feature). Also very impressive is the small footprint of the program itself. The lack of multiprocessing stings me good, but I could avoid the problem by applying plugins physically through another DAW.
    #23013
    Azure
    Participant

    @Slomo wrote:

    Hehe, it’s quite remarkable, this “Give me more for free or I’ll take my business elsewhere” attitude..

    What do you say, I’ll hire you for free and then complain when you not work hard enough?

    You don’t have to kill me for what I said. You also don’t have to put words in my mouth that I didn’t say. I’m simply a beginner that had my share. Tell me you haven’t experienced DAW stress before. This is simply my experience in trying a free product which I have used extensively, and have effectively recorded more than 12-track songs on.

    I’m just looking for some advice, Slomo, if you, being on a higher plane than I am don’t have any to give – just pass on. You don’t have to axe me for it.

    #23014
    Azure
    Participant

    I do not think Podium is at all dead. The best example is Wavosaur – the forum dead like really dead, not like this forum which is still breathing, no updates, everyone was sure Wavosaur is gone. Yet, out of blue, after about three years, the updates started to be available again, bring in many improvements.

    I can go for that πŸ™‚ I do believe that the guy that put this together is a real pro – and to do it while being a “all-alone-guy” is pretty great.

    As for some of the non-existent features however, actually I’ve never used time-stretching, and I’ve read some threads on this forum that really are not “me” so-to-speak, in that I don’t have need for some of the features.

    #23015
    adimatis
    Participant

    Let’s just be cool about it.
    Sometimes, we are (I am at least) frustrated that Podium is not so complete qas we would like. Some other times, when we overcome this stage, we are frustrated with others not seeing the positive sides of Podium! πŸ˜‰ Human nature I guess.
    I am confident, despite the sloooooow movement, that Podium is work in progress and will continue to be for as long as Frits will be able to write a code line or two… Let’s just say I understand better now what a “labour of love” is. πŸ˜‰
    In the meanwhile Podium continues to make me happy (and occasionaly very angry) and provides great tools for (almost all of) my work. Thank you!

    #23016
    Azure
    Participant

    Ha ha. Alright – I’m sticking with it, adimatis πŸ˜€ πŸ™‚
    You’ve converted me to the wait-and-see position. I won’t buy in just yet but my hopes are up higher than this morning! Ha ha.

    #23019
    adimatis
    Participant

    Bless you! πŸ˜‰

    #23023
    The Telenator
    Participant

    I was about two months into my use of Podium when I went through a season of discontent with it. I’m referring to the paid version and about a year and a half or two years ago.

    The thing is, I’ve used several of the other paid/commercial versions of DAWs, and I came away from each one with a list of shortcomings and complaints from each. I discovered — horror of horrors! — there is no perfect DAW. Also, you have to figure in here that I won’t go out and pay $400 to $599 or variously hobbled demoes to go through the experience again with the handful I haven’t tried yet either.

    I keep saying, if I can ever find the time (and remember the issues with each) that I want to post the whole list of ‘problems’ in each DAW all in a thread sometime. I’m surprised we don’t see a little more of this. The biggest shortcoming I’d say with Podium Free is that you are stuck on using a single core for all your processing. I think all free or trial editions of DAWs have some significant limitation, some rather severe. Regardless, it is hard to complain about limitations when you are using anyone’s software for free, so I’ll focus on some other things.

    Clearly, the paid version of Podium has a few features that I feel are important omissions, but to be honest I have to say the same about every other DAW I’ve personally dealt with. Then there are a few of them that simply have ‘workflow’ that I find hard to cope with or just plain wrong.

    I always hope that each person eventually hooks up with the DAW or DAWs that suit best. For those of you using the free Podium, I have to ask, GOT $500 to play around with? If so, I can show you a couple that may suit you better than Podium Free. If not, then this limits the conversation and worth of the complaints.

    Some people have moved toward Reaper or Traction, two examples of cheaper options, but Traction has been through a row of troubles and fixes lately. I think people are saying it is fairly stable now. I also own Reaper, and note it is about the same price as Podium. You can try Reaper unlimited for a gracious 60 days now, extended recently from 30, but after that you need to pay for it or else you are technically ripping them off. I bought mine on Day 33, back when the trial was 30 days. I find Reaper a rather good choice, but I still find myself using Podium as much or more. I think if you took more time to study the other DAWs and try out any you can, you return to this point where you see the advantages and shortfalls of each. For advantages, I find some in Podium that stop me dead in my tracks from running out and getting started all over again with one of the expensive ones. In fact, I just recently got rid of Ableton Live 8 instead of upgrading to their new Live 9. I found it was an interesting way of recording but didn’t suit me nearly as well as Podium.

    I certainly won’t go into all the virtues and problems, but I would point out the graphics — the GUI — and the extreme ability to customise that; I think in some ways the entire structure and resulting workflow of Podium is ‘smarter’ than many other DAWs. This may not be the exact best way to describe it, but there it is. It does take plugins very well; there are really only about a half-dozen Podium has regular issues with, but the same is true or worse on other DAWs. Live had all sorts of crash issues with more plugins. Reaper I found to be the best in this area; however, when Reaper locks up on one it goes down hard — whiteouts all around and hard to escape!

    I think my main point in all this is that you haven’t seen enough of the troubles in others, and then throw into that what it would cost you to ‘purchase a DAW more worthy‘ [emphasis mine] if even you could, dollar for dollar.

    #23032
    Azure
    Participant

    πŸ™‚ Thanks, Tele.

    I think you’ve got me hung on the Reaper trial (I’m on day 151 – be quiet now). HA HA. One thing I did notice about Reaper is that the workflow is a wee bit confusing, but not as bad as Ableton Live, of which I have a Lite version. I’ve never figured it out – I’m not as savvy as some.

    I don’t think I have ever had Reaper black out, though once when a plugin crashed Windows successfully shut down the plugin window without killing Reaper along with it. I’ve had a good time with Reaper – recorded up to 21 tracks on a single song.

    Back to Podium now (as this is the Podium forum) – The ability to customize the workflow is GREAT – I mean, πŸ™‚ especially that feature where you can adjust the size of the tracks in the mixer area, rather than having to scroll horizontally to get to them all…

    #23033
    alex
    Participant

    @Azure wrote:

    πŸ™‚ Thanks, Tele.

    I think you’ve got me hung on the Reaper trial (I’m on day 151 – be quiet now). HA HA. One thing I did notice about Reaper is that the workflow is a wee bit confusing, but not as bad as Ableton Live, of which I have a Lite version. I’ve never figured it out – I’m not as savvy as some.

    Using Reaper past 60 days is rippin’ Cockos off…..

    [edited to remove swearing]

    #23085
    Levendis
    Participant

    @Azure wrote:

    5) You cannot (in my experience) copy-and-paste effect racks, effect settings, or any of the sort from one Bus or Track to another.

    Well spotted Azure. As I see it, this would be a minor adjustment.

    At the moment, you can create track templates (right-click track header) to manage effect chains.

    If only the Clipboard menu had the Insert Effect Chain command. This would be quicker than creating a template.

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