Slomo.
MarkusSince i can share my opinions here, i’ll do it.
I bet everyone start to hate me now, but here we go. 8)
About future, workflow, signalflow and so on.
Mine or couple other users opinions doesnt matter nothing. Frits just do whatever he, or couple his fan boys wants. Same time Frits wonder how to increase Podium sell. It just doesnt make any sense.
Podium has chosen “unique way”. Thats why Podium learning level is kinda high, and not so user friendly. I admire that Frits have chosen unique way, but it has own negative sides. When you have chosen unique way, you should have prepare yourself something like this.
“it’s going to be either hit or miss”.
Based numbers of users this forum, i can say podium was so called miss.
It doesnt matter how good your program is in unique way if it doesnt sell. In the end this is still business.
I have request many things, and what i have got? Nothing. Well maybe my request doesnt fit on podium unqiue concept. However, i am sure that mine or some other users request would make podium more easy to use.
If You want to hit on big market, then you have to make Podium more clearly and easy to use. There is so many other host available which are more easy to use and have much more features.
Why some new user would start to use Podium? Why? Cause it is unique? I doubt so.
Let’s think it this way. Something like 60-70% producers based on some kinda electornic music. Like house, trace, pop, rap, rnb and so on. What features podium has offer those 60-70% of ppl? Maybe something different than other host has? No, oh yes, upward signal which just makes things difficult.
Let’s say about 90% of new producers start to make music on FL Studio. Why? Cause it is easy to use.
See, easy and fast is those magic words. Look new Studio One. They just hitting on market, and ppl already love it. What they do? They just make things clear, easy and fast to use.
You have clearly alingment your product to bedroom guitarist. When someone critique something (like i do now) they all rise together against you. After that no one doesnt dare to critique nothing (i dare, and i will if i have to).
To me this looks like you dont even want to change your unique way, so why you complain then? What Podium free would help in this situation? I bet 95% of those ppl who install it, test it and state “too difficult to use” and uninstall it after couple hours testing. Rest 5% will maybe buy Podium.
So Frits, just choose your way
1. Keep your fan boys, accept your current state and stop complain.
2. Change your concept and if situation doesnt change, keep complain / blame me.
Now, i keep waiting those fanboys attacks. Thanks bye.
roninMarkus, you gave noone a chance to give you an appropiate answer to this post. If I agree, I would have to lie. If I’ll try to explain your issuses
you probably just get your fan-boy-attitude verified. Thats not a starting point for a useful discussion.
Try to stay openminded. Almost everyone in this forum is open for a good and useful feature discussion but please understand that some things just take some time…
MarkusJust say it. Say it straight. I dont except anything.
Frits have chosen his own way, he should know the risks.
Even when some wants to tell him where the problems is, he doesn’t listen you. Not me, not other users. Either he doesn’t answer nothing, or he hide behind pricetag.
This current update aka FX thing is in critical point imo. Couple users, inclueded me wants somekinda slot system with drag and drop support. This is where Frits need to decide what he wants. Old system you keep half of old customers happy, new system (fx’s slots+d&d support) would offer more easy to figure out -> more easy to use -> happy user/customer. Happy customer -> spread word -> more customers -> Frits get more money -> everyone wins.
About Hierarchic
Logical row is up to down. This Podium thing down to up, makes podium unique. To be unique isn’t bad thing. But like i said, in the end this is BUSINESS for Frits.
All i’m asking is Frits to decide what he rly wants.
In my opinion, Frits wants something what he doesnt even know. He want changes, but fear to do them. At least those radical ones.
Changes happen when you change your concept. Chainging consept doesnt happening by accepting ideas all the time from fanboys.
You can hate me as much you want. This is my opinion, and i stay behind it. Some may think that i am envy or resentful.. NO! I’m doing this only to help Frits. Yes help. You read right.
There is so many good alternative host available that podium needs changes if it wants to hit on market. Reaper cost now 60$ and it is comparable to cubase and logic. FL Studio is cheap too. It has all features we would never needed. And dont forget all freebies.
In the end;
Be a realistic. Think what you want and what you have offer to get it.
LiquidProj3ct@Markus wrote:
See, easy and fast is those magic words.
Those are the most important words. Easy and fast. You will see me ask for an inmediate and intuitive workflow, always.
Sometimes he accepts my suggestions, other times doesn’t. What do I do? Relax and enjoy with the things I like. I don’t know if you have programmed something, I do. When you have a big program there is some things that are difficult to change. Usually this depends on the programmer skills, the most experienced, the most open to change are the code. Think in our ex-host FL Studio. Gol cannot change the most of the things because when he started to program FruityLoops he was a semi-noob.
Nobody hate you. At least I don’t hate you. The idea that somebody on the net hate you is an illusion, it’s only in your head. And if somebody say: “hey Markus, I hate you”, you can easily solve the problem turning off the PC 🙂 it isn’t a joke. ppl takes their lifes too serious. Enjoy.
Of course you don’t always have to get a reply to your post, that’s craving attention, and that’s a bad sign that something isn’t right in your head (no offense, I’m pseudo-psychiatrist).
As you can see in beta4 post, you will see drag and drop, so that’s a good sign, imho, for everyone here 🙂
Just relax, do suggestions or say what you don’t like in the new betas. I don’t hate you.
UncleAge@Markus wrote:
Mine or couple other users opinions doesnt matter nothing. Frits just do whatever he, or couple his fan boys wants.
Thanks for posting Markus. You have made some good points and some of them have been pointed out in the past by other users. And it is that reason that I call BS on the statement above.
I’ve hung out here for a while and what I have seen is that most of the users of this app are not participating in the forums. One of the reasons Frits had the original license as a lifetime deal was due to the users giving feedback and doing the beta testing for him. Fair exchange and all that jazz.
I think if you would dig a little deeper than the last few months you will see that many of the regulars have taken issue with many of the features and their implementation over the years. Most of the time we get what we want. Some times we don’t. But Frits is amazingly open minded to new ideas especially those that are expressed in the correct format.
What you may be mistaking for fanboi’ism is instead a learned way of communicating to each other and to Frits, our desires, request, disgust, comtempt or joy for any feature, present or future. Have no doubt I am not ok with a few features in Podium but I respect others opinions, specifically Frits, in regards to the direction that app should go.
I agree with a few of your points. I’m only suggesting that you look at the delivery. And no I don’t hate you. Please speak up! And do it often. Just do it in a respectful way.
MarkusWell, english an’t my native language so sometimes it’s kinda hard to say what you really want to say. I do respect Frits. I have told that couple times before. I admire his passion to Podium. I always respect hard working people. Yesterday i was wake up at 5 am, and then Frits post another beta. That’s i call real passion.
I am not best of the best in business, but i do know what musician like. Like i told before, podium is more to audio enginer than musician. Just cause working is slow. When i want to get ideas out fast, i just open FL Studio. Simply cause it is most easiest host and it has best pianoroll.
I have tried couple times to get ideas out fast on podium without success. I personally need all in one pianoroll tool, or atleast draw,erase, select in one tool. In podium you have to switch those tools or use _another_ shortcut to strech notes or select them and so on.. it is just a little thing, but it’s affect so negative on my creative that i hate podium on it.
I have tried to quit FL Studio now over year. I have always return to FL Studio. Even i hate how it sounds (engine). This is just cause it is EASY AND FAST. That is what musician needs and wants.
And yes, i am openminded. I respect Frits. I can wait, there is no problem at all. Even if podium never going to fit on my needs, it’s still okay, and i still going to support frits by bying license, update it and keep donate money. There is no doubt about that.
See my trade offer on vip lounge?
LiquidProj3ctHey Markus, same here. I need ultrafast and easy workflow or I lose my inspiration 🙁
I always use FL Studio to investigate new ideas, but its playlist very unfriendly (even its v9), so when I have the idea I port it to Podium if I can. The things I miss from FL Studio are my usual feature request here:
– Drag&Drop from browser samples to plugins
– Right click to erase notes and unselect them with pencil tool
– Improved (or new even) drum roll with minisamplers.
Second, there is another thing i’d like to be implemented that, at least, aren’t sins for my creativity as MIDI Controllers, MIDI fx, clip-bounce, or beatiful guis (example: mixer). And later, tons of minor things, as instrument menu from track headers…
I want the same that you, easy, fast and inmediate.
Markus@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
I want the same that you, easy, fast and inmediate.
Say it to Frits, oh wait, he doesn’t listen you. (note sarcasm)
Frits shouldnt underestimate Midi and midi tools in generally. We live year 2009. There is a lot people who makes music using only software, inclueded me. Then midi and midi tools is most important things.
I wish FL Studio with Podium sound engine, automation system and playlist + playlist scroll system on mousewheel. That would be killer host. Best ever, easily.
Maybe some day.. You never know.
MarkusSince this is my thread, i take the freedom post most needed fixes.
1. Current inspector fx’s thing. I still think that slot system with d&d support would be best solution. By d&d fx’s it would be fast & easy and you can call it modern feature too. (ye we live in 2009)
2. Current mixer and how it handle plugins. Fx disorder. However, Frits has told he remake mixer after current update. Nice! At least i want to get rid of thos mixer up and down scroll cases.
3. Help us get our ideas fast out in podium and allow note strech on selection tool. PLEASE! One of the smalest request what is ever made. This little thing would make many your customers happy.
4. Swing. Man, every musician needs swings. I dont want to make music which sound 100% made on computer. Ableton or Studio one has good swing system. Take some inspiration there.
5. I would call another modern feature here. Easy sidechain. Sidechain which take maxium 10 seconds to set up. Ableton has most easiest / fastest sidechain. Take inspiration there.
6. Totally new graphics. More modern. Softer edges. Not so blocky, you know. Studio one and ableton have good graphics.
7. Relize that you can’t do all the things alone. You will need help. Find some one to make inbuild fx’s for podium. Or ask if you can add some freebies with Podium. Like Gol did with FL Studio. If i remember right those first fx’s are made by smartelectronix(?)
8. Remember you run business here. If your customers want something, you do it. Well, of course not everything but when preponderance wants same thing..
9. Forget what you like and what you don’t like it. Between betas we can read something like this “i change my mind, i do it this and this”. “i change my mind again blaa blaa”..
What about users opinions? They use your product. You just develop it. Does it matter if you don’t like “fx slots thing”, when your customers do like it and they are happy? You know what happy customers means.
10. Take this criticism in positive way. We all want to help you. Thats why we keep supporting you.
In the end;
My heart bleeding when i see podium waste his own potential
ps. sry for my bad english 😳
PEACE!
Pigini@Markus wrote:
ps. sry for my bad english 😳
PEACE!
Well, it’s actually not just bad, it’s rude. Even you must be aware of it.
UncleAge@Markus wrote:
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
I want the same that you, easy, fast and inmediate.
Say it to Frits, oh wait, he doesn’t listen you. (note sarcasm)
Wow, more of the same.
Have it your way but please note this… This is the most civil forum that I visit on the internet. And it has the least number of fanboys on the internet, IMO. Your note of sarcasm does not dismiss the underlying spirit of that statement. This is not becoming behaviour.
I am not a moderator here and I won’t be addressing this particular subject again (the nature of your posts). I just thought it should be said that for a very long time we have valued everyone’s input here. Yes, even yours. It would be nice if it could stay that way, no?
SlomoI kind of like the RED Digital Camera approach;
“Specifications, prices and delivery dates are subject to change. Count on it.
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone with a bad attitude.”
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UncleAge@Slomo wrote:
I kind of like the RED Digital Camera approach;
“Specifications, prices and delivery dates are subject to change. Count on it.
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone with a bad attitude.”…
Awesome cameras and equally awesome mandate 🙂
soundquist@UncleAge wrote:
This is the most civil forum that I visit on the internet. And it has the least number of fanboys on the internet, IMO.
I’m mostly a lurker here, but I strongly agree with UncleAge in the above. Moreover, I think it would be hard to find any product forum where the developer is so engaged and responding as this one.
The usual strife and flames found elsewhere is absent here.
/SQ
MarkusWhen you talk nicely, you wont be notice. I have seen that many times. Everywhere, inclueded this forum. Like i said before, Frits doesnt answer anything. To speak rude doesnt mean i’m rude person. It is just the way to start discussion. Nothing else. 🙂