Topic: Loop/Stretch Tools

Time stretching would be nice but in the meantime how about just a MIDI loop/strech function?

@suges wrote:

You know I read EVERYWHERE, on all the msg boards and everything, people always want time stretching. What IS time stretching, and why is it useful?

If it’s simply changing the tempo of an audio file while maintaining the pitch (or vice versa), wouldn’t the quality of one built into a sequencer be not high enough for professional use? What I mean is, when I’m, say, remixing an R&B track into a house track, original being 80 bpm and dance version being 124 bpm, the only program I can really use on the acapella is ProSoniq TimeFactory…anything else leaves too many noticeable artifacts to be actually used. And the main reason TimeFactory is so good is because it does the processing offline (since it uses so much horsepower).

Anyways I must be missing something since there are sequencers that do have it built in. Somebody let me know.

Suges

http://www.dspdimension.com/html/timepitch.html

That should help answer the question 😉

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Suges, your question is difficult to answer.

first of all: there are sequencers who do it offline – e.g. CubaseSX which uses the Prosonic algorithm you mentioned.

This algorithm is very useful for complex material (e.g. vocals, guitar-recordings etc.) but I don’t like it’s sound for drums.

Drums tend to need a different kind of processing.

Then, making it a even more complex field, there are artifacts which are likeable and there are artifacts which are plain ugly.

Cakewalk Sonar and Ableton Live can produce some nice artifacts, while
Tracktion’s algorithms make me want to puke.

The ‘good’ artifacts play a recognizable role in the modern eletronic
music.

To make it an even more complex field there is also beat-slicing which has the same function as time-stretching but works in a completely different way. (e.g. Propellerhead Recylce! works this way)

I hope this has helped to at least partly answer your question. 😉 🙂

techno? 😕 No, not really for techno 🙂

Go to http://www.xplodingplastix.com and click in the upper menu on ‘music’. Then e.g. scroll down to track 9 ‘treat me mean, I need the reputation’ – listen to the drums especially the breaks which start at about
3:00. 😉 😀

edit: actually track 3 ‘sunset spirals – take2’ is an even better example. 😀

first I have to clarify: that’s not my site! 😳

Xploding Plastix are imo currently one of the best eletronic acts and their
latest album received last year the grammy for ‘best electronic album’ 😉

Yes I know that house as well as techno doesn’t normally use drum-loops… 🙂 – Xploding Plastix make virtually everything with using sample-loops…
(although live they have a real drummer and a real bass-player) and those grainy drum-sounds are made with time-stretching (the grainyness is a typical artifact)
– this is one of my tunes I did with Sonar. For the drums I only used loops – what sounds like a guitar is a highly played bass-guitar – listen to the break which starts at about 1:30 – the bass-guitar which fades in again in the background sounds totally weird – that’s another time-stretching artifact 8)

What happened with this? Did it get implemented? I can’t seem to find a way to do much with an audio file in terms of dragging to stretch or slicing by transient etc.

Well I use Presonus sometimes I can take a sample that is 89bpm go to the tempo which is set to 120bpm and my sample will play at that speed i would love for this software to do that I would leave Cakewalk, Cubase, Presonus & Pro-tools for this permanently