Topic: No audio via ASIO drivers from M Audio Delta Audiophile 2496

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  • #202
    blurk
    Participant

    As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I really like what I’ve read about the structure of Podium projects. Unfortunately, none of it is much use to me at the moment because I can’t get any sound out via the ASIO drivers of my M Audio Delta Audiophile 2496 sound card. This card has up-to-date manufacturer supplied ASIO drivers, which work when every other audio app I use (e.g. Fruity Studio, Cool Edit, Audacity + recently Plogue Bidule and Audiomulch).

    I did get sound out when I used the MME drivers, but that is not workable for me because of the appalling latency compared with what I can get from the ASIO drivers in the other apps. And, like I said, all the other apps work fine with the ASIO drivers, so I think Podium should also.

    The card has 6 inputs (3 stereo pairs) and 4 outputs (2 stereo pairs). I’m not interested in the inputs at the moment, just the outputs. I’ve selected the Delta ASIO driver in the MIDI/Audio Interfaces dialog. The project wizard claims my audio mixer mappings appear to be OK. I’d dearly like to know where I can configure these mixer mappings, as there’s nothing in the Setup or New menus that appear to resemble mixer mappings.

    At a guess, “mixer mappings” might mean the Master Stereo and Master Mono device mappings (hint: in all user output in the application, you must be careful to ensure that your terminology is always consistent – don’t use one term in one dialog, and a different term elsewhere). And this is where I get really confused, despite the documentation at http://www.zynewave.com/guide/guide22_mappings.htm. I can’t see anywhere where I can select which of the the Delta’s outputs to use. In fact, I can’t even explicitly select the Delta at all. The only two choices for audio interface are and . I’d expect to see the Delta AP listed here, preferably split into a choice of outputs.

    And I have no idea what the starting target channel number in the Audio Configuration box is supposed to represent. Maybe it is meant to be the Delta’s outputs, but there is no hint anywhere that this is the case. Regardless, I selected each channel from 1 to 33 and tried playing the demo project, with no sound. The sound meters moved in channels 1 to 4, but froze for all the channels afterwards.

    I hope I’m just missing something obvious here, but I’m not a clueless newbie with computers in general or audio apps in particular. And I’ve spent several hours over two nights on this now.

    Oh, and here is the report:

    Podium audio manager status report
    Log period: 4/06/2004 9:19:04 PM – 4/06/2004 10:32:22 PM

    ASIO device: M-Audio Delta ASIO
    – Supported clock sources: See Control Panel
    – Current clock source: See Control Panel
    – Supported sample rates: 32000, 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000
    – Current sample rate: 44100
    – Input channels: 6 (111111)
    – Output channels: 4 (1111)
    – Input/Output latency, buffer size: 544/542, 512
    – ASIO sample types: 18, 18

    ASIO driver status:
    – ASIO sample position gaps: 2 (512)

    Audio stream buffer errors:
    – Output buffer skip count: 2

    End of report

    I’m intrigued by the “Output buffer skip count: 2” message. What on earth does that mean?

    #3428
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    I have contacted one of the Podium beta testers who uses a Audiophile 2496 card, and asked if he is experiencing any problems. I’ll report back when I know more.

    At a guess, “mixer mappings” might mean the Master Stereo and Master Mono device mappings

    Yes, the two master outs and the Parameters folder with the level and pan parameters.

    In fact, I can’t even explicitly select the Delta at all. The only two choices for audio interface are and . I’d expect to see the Delta AP listed here

    Podium only supports the use of one sound card, so the implies the interface you have selected in the interfaces dialog. The use of and is to make the audio interface selection similar to the MIDI interface selection. Using the setting signifies that you can open the project on another machine with a different sound card, and the project will then use that sound card.

    I’d expect to see the Delta AP listed here, preferably split into a choice of outputs.

    And I have no idea what the starting target channel number in the Audio Configuration box is supposed to represent.

    The source and target channel numbers are indeed the channels on your audio interface. If you have selected configuration and set the start channel to 3, then the mapping will route stereo audio to channels 3/4.

    I’m intrigued by the “Output buffer skip count: 2” message. What on earth does that mean?

    This is the result of the ‘ASIO sample position gaps’. This can happen with some drivers during initialization of the driver. What should be worrying is if these counts increase during normal operation. This could indicate that there is a conflict with digital clock source inputs. Some drivers also ‘jumps’ in the sample position if there is a buffer underrun.

    #3429
    kagemusha
    Participant

    Hi blurk,

    I can’t see anywhere where I can select which of the the Delta’s outputs to use. In fact, I can’t even explicitly select the Delta at all. The only two choices for audio interface are and . I’d expect to see the Delta AP listed here, preferably split into a choice of outputs.

    My m-audio card (delta 66) is working fine. my driver is from 26 december 2003 (36 final).
    Below is how my settings are in the Midi/audio interfaces setup dialog (under setup in the project window). I don’t know if I understood you right but I can see all kinds of modes under “Asio interface” like duplex, multimedia and also M-Audio asio

    Have you set in the device mapping dialog (eg for your master stereo) under target channels/speaker configuration “stereo 2channels” starting from output 1; meaning it will use 2 channels starting from your first outputchannel. If you use a second stereo output you could set start from 3th target channel (eg output channel 3-4 from your card)

    Have you tried with a fresh new project, not with the demo project >> perhaps you did something wrong because you had to set all the plugins yourself etc.
    If you ceate a new project with only a mastertrack (output 1-2) and drop an audio file on that track 16 or 24 bit. the audio file will be added in your project browser (not on your track) >> drag the audio file from the project browser on your track (place it on the mastertrack). Do have sound?


    #3431
    blurk
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I have contacted one of the Podium beta testers who uses a Audiophile 2496 card, and asked if he is experiencing any problems. I’ll report back when I know more.

    Thank you. Maybe I should mention that I’m running on Windows 2000 SP4 and using the May 17, 2004 drivers from M Audio?

    Podium only supports the use of one sound card, so the implies the interface you have selected in the interfaces dialog. … Using the setting signifies that you can open the project on another machine with a different sound card, and the project will then use that sound card.

    OK, that’s reasonable. Though I think a useful (far) future enhancement would be multiple sound card support, but of course this is nowhere near an essential requirement.

    The source and target channel numbers are indeed the channels on your audio interface. If you have selected configuration and set the start channel to 3, then the mapping will route stereo audio to channels 3/4.

    That’s good to have clarified. I think someone else suggested it would be more user-friendly to name the outputs here so that they are consistent with the active channels you see in the MIDI/Audio Interfaces dialog. I think doing this would save a lot of confusion.

    @kagemusha wrote:

    I don’t know if I understood you right but I can see all kinds of modes under “Asio interface” like duplex, multimedia and also M-Audio asio

    I only see two entries under “ASIO interface”: and “M-Audio Delta ASIO (6 in, 4 out)”. Thanks for your screen shots, they confirm that I am setting things up the way they should be. My versions of those windows look pretty much the same, except for the obvious hardware differences between our two cards.

    Have you tried with a fresh new project, not with the demo project (…)

    I tried it all again following these instructions, and no I still don’t get any sound. I’m willing to entertain the notion that I’ve misconfigured the M-Audio ASIO driver somehow, but in the monitor mixer view of the M Audio Delta Control Panel (i.e. completely outside the Podium app), none of the level meters light up, unlike what happens with other audio apps. So, I think I haven’t stuffed up the ASIO driver configuration (but I can’t be sure), and it looks like I’ve set up Podium the same way as you have suggested. I don’t know what else I can try.

    #3432
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    You could email me your project file (.pod). I can then verify that your project is configured correctly.

    #3433
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    And to repeat a suggestion I gave elsewhere in the forum:

    The simplest way to make sound in Podium:
    Select ‘New Project’ from the file menu. Import or drag&drop a wave file into Podium. Enter the sound editor for the sound object. Press play. The sound file should be playing on the first pair of audio output channels that you enabled in the interfaces dialog.

    #3434
    blurk
    Participant

    Thanks for the simple sound suggestion. But that still doesn’t work for me.

    I’m becoming convinced that the problem is outside of Podium, and something peculiar in my own setup here. I bet if you do find someone else with a Audiophile 2496 card it’ll be working fine.

    #3445
    kagemusha
    Participant

    I’m on XP but I think the drivers are the same.
    Have you tried to roll back the driver to the previoius (final 34) version >> there is perhaps some strange quirk in the latest driver release.

    #3446
    blurk
    Participant

    @kagemusha wrote:

    Have you tried to roll back the driver to the previoius (final 34) version >> there is perhaps some strange quirk in the latest driver release.

    No, though that thought had crossed my mind. I have to admit I’m putting my explorations of Podium to one side for the moment as I have an impending deadline anyway. I’ll try and get back to it when I have some more free time. I did get Podium working on my old machine, which has an SB Live! 5.1 Platinum super duper gee whiz how many more marketing terms can Creative fit in there card, running the kx ASIO drivers. But that’s no longer my main music making machine.

    Like I said before, I’m now pretty sure it’s something in my setup on the machine with the Audiophile 2496. Driver probs is a fair bet. Why the other apps work though, I don’t know.

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