Topic: Podium mixer ….

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  • September 30, 2012 at 16:45 #2828
    alex
    Participant

    Hi!

    I’ve been using Podium free for couple of weeks now, and I must say I’m very happy with it. I use it exclusively for mixing (and recording audio here and there). At the time, there are three things I would really like to see in Podium:

    1. Pan knob on sends
    2. Two pan knobs for stereo tracks
    3. Precount (somebody has already mentioned this before)

    So, this is what’s really important to me, and I’d like to know what the other users think of it (and maybe the developer 😉 ).

    Tnx and cheers

    October 1, 2012 at 07:20 #22332
    Levendis
    Participant

    Hello alex,
    Here are ways to achieve what you want. (Until your requests are implemented).

    @alex wrote:

    Pan knob on sends

    Intriguing proposition. :-k
    You have a couple of options to realise this:

    1. Set the fader pre-send. The pan control will then feed send busses with the appropriate channel proportions.
    2. Use mono bus returns.

    This scenario works.

    Unfortunately, this one doesn’t!?

    @alex wrote:

    Two pan knobs for stereo tracks

    Can you describe a scenario where this would be useful?
    Are you after control of [url=http://www.kvraudio.com/q.php?search=1&q=stereo&ty[]stereo separation[/url]?

    @alex wrote:

    Precount (somebody has already mentioned this before)

    If you need a lead in for a recording, may I suggest setting a loop range and offset Punch-In.

    Key command U to toggle metronome.

    @alex wrote:

    … I’d like to know what the other users think of it (and maybe the developer 😉 ).

    I love the way Frits (the developer) thinks. It’s as if he has pre-empted what comes naturally to my work flow. 😀

    October 1, 2012 at 10:00 #22333
    alex
    Participant

    Tnx Levendis!

    I know about those workarounds. They’re all fine except for the first one (if you have lets say 5 tracks you want to send to a reverb bus and pan reverb differently than the sources, you can’t do it with the single pan knob on return).

    Levendis wrote:
    alex wrote:
    Two pan knobs for stereo tracks
    Can you describe a scenario where this would be useful?
    Are you after control of stereo separation?

    Sometimes I split stereo tracks in a wave editor and pan them differently (if I don’t have separate pan knobs for both channels).

    And finally the workaround for the first one would be – double those tracks, pan any way you like and send to a reverb bus (but now you have 5 more tracks 🙁 )

    I mentioned precount because it is really funny that the daw like Podium doesn’t have it (I’m sure everybody can live without it).

    tnx and cheers

    October 1, 2012 at 11:18 #22334
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    … (if you have lets say 5 tracks you want to send to a reverb bus and pan reverb differently than the sources, you can’t do it with the single pan knob on return).

    Why not? Place the send bus on a group track.

    In the example above, the master output is dry at left and reverbed at right. Note the placement of the fader (post-sends). Right-click the track header > Fader > Set Fader After Sends.

    @alex wrote:

    Think about stereo guitars – if you only got one guitar track (mono) you can push it thru the stereo amp and now you have two more tracks…

    The example above is a mono sound file on a stereo track. That’s 1 track for stereo output of a mono sound file.

    @alex wrote:

    I mentioned precount because it is really funny that the daw like Podium doesn’t have it (I’m sure everybody can live without it).

    I faithfully believe precount will be implemented as it would benefit live takes. And complete functionality of the metronome 🙂

    @alex wrote:

    tnx and cheers

    It’s a pleasure 🙂

    October 1, 2012 at 16:20 #22335
    alex
    Participant

    Hi, and tnx one more time.

    I think I didn’t explain everything clear enough. My bad. I took the same number of tracks for both things I wanted to explain. Namely, when I was talking about guitars and stuff I wanted to tell that the separate pan knobs for stereo channels are useful for many things – simply you have more control over those sounds and you can use that in many ways (most of the time, as I said, I split most of the stereo tracks into mono tracks, when I work with the software that doesn’t have this feature). And about pan knob on sends – let’s say I have a stereo reverb bus. Now I have one track panned 20% left, and I’ll pan the send 80% right, the other is 47% right, and I’ll pan the send 51 % left and so on (hope now you’ve got the idea what I’m talking about). No send buses on group tracks or anything like that (I don’t think what you’re talking about is bad at all. I do things like that all the time, like in the old days when there wasn’t such a large number of hardware units (and today, this can help you not to run out of computer juice), I make two buses with mono reverbs, one short, one longer, different predelay (u know the drill) one panned hard left and the other hard right, and it works today just as it worked before :))
    So, I must say I learned something about Podium from you, today (about the send bus on a group track). If I wanted to do something like that, I know how I’d do it and it would be much more complicated.

    October 1, 2012 at 17:56 #22336
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    Hi, and tnx one more time.

    You’re welcome 🙂

    I too am learning things while thinking about your questions.

    @alex wrote:

    … I make two buses with mono reverbs, one short, one longer, different predelay…

    That method is great! Doing it numerous times, and subtly, will yield increasingly realistic sounding reverberant spaces. (I suspect). Differing pre-delay times combined with different reflection levels will add to the illusion of a sound source in a complex space.

    To that end, may I suggest you check out zReverb!? It installs with Podium.

    The feature of note is being able to place sound sources and a ‘microphone’ anywhere on its sound stage. There are 2 nodes as sound source. One node is left and the other is right. You can place them anywhere relative to the microphone, which itself can be placed and pointed freely. The outcome is variation between each channel in the output.

    Try the plugin and tell me what you think. I’d like to know if it gives you similar results as setting up multiple reverbed sends.

    Happy sequencing 8)

    October 1, 2012 at 21:03 #22337
    alex
    Participant

    Levendis wrote:

    To that end, may I suggest you check out zReverb!? It installs with Podium.

    I must admit a feel a little ashamed. I actually didn’t load Zynewave effects the second time I was rebuilding plugin database. Two reasons for that:

    1. I’ve always asked myself: “Why don’t they make a daw with no effects and processors (which make it more expensive and I probably never gonna use them) and let me load the plugins that I like?” So, you can’t imagine how happy I was when I first saw Podium free.

    2. I actually checked zPEQ and it was like this: I wasn’t so clever to click here and there and see what really happens. I just said to myself: “How can anybody make an eq with no pass filters, for mixing?” 😳

    Anyway, as I read what you had written about zReverb I loaded Zeffects again and saw that the zPEQ was a full featured eq and zReverb looked like I would have to spend some time to get to know it. 🙂

    The truth is that I don’t really have enough time to really work with Podium. I still rely on software that I already know and use for quite some time. But I gave it a shot when I had to deal with a simple mix and it did great. I could say, for my needs, it’s almost perfect (I’d still like to see those three things in it :)). So, I’ll keep checking it (and the zReverb too :)) and asking around about the things I can’t figure out (I’m too lazy to read the guide). 😆

    Till next time

    October 2, 2012 at 09:12 #22338
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    … and asking around about the things I can’t figure out (I’m too lazy to read the guide).

    I too am guilty of asking questions that have answers in the guide 😉

    Podium’s built in help system is very useful:

    • Help > Enable Panel Help. This puts a readout in the Inspector. The information is relevant to what lies under your mouse pointer.
    • or Help > Enable Popup Help.

    @alex wrote:

    I actually checked zPEQ… “How can anybody make an eq with no pass filters, for mixing?”
    … Anyway, as I read what you had written about zReverb I loaded Zeffects again and saw that the zPEQ was a full featured eq…

    About zPEQ:

    • You can resize the window for finer edits.
    • Each of the 6 bands can be set to one of the following:
      1. Low shelf
      2. High shelf
      3. Parametric
      4. Band reject
      5. Band pass
      6. Low pass
      7. High pass
      8. or Disabled

    Right click a band handle to access a menu with these options.

    • Alt+dragging band handles adjusts the filter’s Q (resonance/fall-off slope).
    • Ctrl+click the frequency response display to toggle display of the phase offset.

    I have no idea what that last one means. 😳 Can someone explain it to me?

    Finally, don’t be shy of the Podium Guide.pdf (Help > Open Podium Guide). It’s bookmarked so you can navigate directly to the section of interest 8)

    October 2, 2012 at 09:25 #22339
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    I still rely on software that I already know and use for quite some time.

    You can load zPlugins (zPitch, zPEQ, zReverb and Nucleum) in any VST compatible host. The *.dll files are installed to …/(your vstplugins directory)/Zynewave Effects

    October 2, 2012 at 17:04 #22340
    alex
    Participant

    Levendis wrote:

    About zPEQ:
    You can resize the window for finer edits.
    Each of the 6 bands can be set to one of the following:
    Low shelf
    High shelf
    Parametric
    Band reject
    Band pass
    Low pass
    High pass
    or Disabled

    Yes I know it now, I checked it yesterday :). The fact is that I have eqs and reverbs that I use all the time, so the zEffects never really had a chance (until now). And now I’m little bit confused about Nucleum (I found zEffects in program files>Zinewave>vstplugins). I actually don’t know what Nucleum is (or where to find it).

    Levendis wrote:

    Right click a band handle to access a menu with these options.
    Alt+dragging band handles adjusts the filter’s Q (resonance/fall-off slope).
    Ctrl+click the frequency response display to toggle display of the phase offset.
    I have no idea what that last one means. Can someone explain it to me?

    Sorry, but I can’t help you. It would be nice to know what is that all about. So, any help appreciated.

    Anyway , this eq is much more complex than I expected. I read the guide this time – there’s no answer to your question, but some really interesting things about q relating to different filter types.

    Levendis wrote:

    I too am guilty of asking questions that have answers in the guide

    Well, I’m am actually really happy that I could work with Podium right away, using just popup help and drop down menus. But, Podium handles audio in it’s own, unique way, so there are things to be learned.

    October 2, 2012 at 17:30 #22341
    alex
    Participant

    :-k …… Zcomp and Zdelay….. I suppose they’re somewhere at the end of the to do list, if at all (I suppose it takes quite some time to make something like that). But that would fulfill the list of bread and butter plugins in Podium, and that would really be something.

    October 2, 2012 at 18:32 #22342
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    …… Zcomp and Zdelay…..that would fulfill the list of bread and butter plugins in Podium…

    Ooo yeah. I bet Frits’ take on those would come with a nifty twist.

    @alex wrote:

    I found zEffects in program files>Zinewave>vstplugins

    Oops, my bad. 😳

    @alex wrote:

    I actually don’t know what Nucleum is (or where to find it).

    This is where you’ll find the Nucleum plugin and this is the forum for all things Nucluem. It’s a 3 oscillator FM/subtractive synth, with 2 filters (series or parallel), 2 LFOs, chorus, delay and modulation matrix 😀

    Keep an eye on Podium’s CPU monitor when creating patches for Nucleum. She can be ravenous for resources.

    October 3, 2012 at 14:56 #22343
    alex
    Participant

    Hi!

    I have a problem with Nucleum. Do you load it just like any other plugin? I tried to load it, and it didn’t show up, and another folder of plugins ended in quarantine. Than I removed Nucleum and was able to load plugins back. 😕

    Tnx in advance

    October 3, 2012 at 15:45 #22344
    Levendis
    Participant

    @Regarding the mixer, alex wrote:

    Unlimited, or at least some reasonable number of sends.

    Podium supports a total of 100 bus instances, and each bus supports up to 32 audio channels. I imagine those numbers to be sufficient to emulate a symphonic orchestra!

    Juggling the numbers roughly, you could have 100 audio channels feeding into 3 sets of 30 busses. Each set of busses could be identical. Meaning 100 audio tracks get the same effect treatments.

    Throw bank and patch select midi messages and you’ve got exponential possibilities. Mind you, I’ve never added a soundtrack to a 90 minute film. To get the score, sound effects and dialogue into one Podium project might outdo its capacity. But where there’s a will…

    @alex wrote:

    I have a problem with Nucleum. Do you load it just like any other plugin? I tried to load it, and it didn’t show up, and another folder of plugins ended in quarantine. Than I removed Nucleum and was able to load plugins back.

    That is peculiar behaviour. :-k

    Once you download and unzip Nucleum to your VstPlugins directory, it should load in your host like any other VSTi.

    Download and open this project and select Search for Missing Plugins in the Devices – I/O, Busses, Plugins menu on the Project Start Page. Hopefully you’ll be able to access Nucleum, otherwise Frits might have to offer some guidance.

    Addenda: Use this project for Podium Free compatibility.

    Can you list the plugins that are quarantined when you import Nucleum?

    October 3, 2012 at 17:09 #22345
    alex
    Participant

    Levendis wrote:

    Regarding the mixer, alex wrote:
    Unlimited, or at least some reasonable number of sends.
    Podium supports a total of 100 bus instances, and each bus supports up to 32 audio channels. I imagine those numbers to be sufficient to emulate a symphonic orchestra!

    I deleted that one right away 😀 I could find the way to add more busses in device panel.

    Levendis wrote:

    That is peculiar behaviour.

    Once you download and unzip Nucleum to your VstPlugins directory, it should load in your host like any other VSTi.

    That’s exactly what I did.

    Never mind 😀 I got it now, and Podium didn’t skip any other plugins.
    This is strange, though. Until this time, I never really had a problem with plugins in Podium. I think there were just a couple of them (not really interesting ones, that I just wanted to check out) it didn’t like from the very beginning (so I deleted them and forgot them 🙂 (didn’t even bother to check if they would work with another host)).

    Tnx anyway

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