Conquistador.
pavouk100FRs are flying here, so I’ll release another one 😉
It would be nice to add MIDI velocity sensitivity according to the place where the piano key is clicked. E.g. clicking at the right generates full velocity (loudest) note, clicking at the left generates softest note (minimal velocity), clicking in the middle generates half velocity note etc. Also, leave the note playing since the key stays ‘clicked’ (i.e. generate note off when either mouse button is released or when mouse cursor releases note area).
thcilnnahoj@UncleAge wrote:
Not a must have but definitely a sweet feature that I liked when I used FL Studio’s demo was the ability to place chords in via the piano roll
I remember that! This would certainly be nice, but I agree that it’s lowest priority – you could probably even make midi files for a bunch of chords and import them as needed.
@pavouk100 wrote:
It would be nice to add MIDI velocity sensitivity according to the place where the piano key is clicked.
This would only be used for previewing, then? You can’t excactly add in notes by clicking the piano keys.
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
semitransparent colours for ghost notes
It’s pretty comfortable see them with their colours. Then you can find easily without mute channels where is your chord progresion.
I think this idea about ghost notes retaining track colors could potentially clash with the very useful velocity-sensitive coloring of midi notes. Might have to try and see.
Two more to throw on the pile:
– Note move buttons, like in energy XT: for moving selected notes (or all in midi clip, if none selected) up/down by a semitone or an octave.
– Velocity level +/- buttons: pretty much like the above – to equally control multiple notes’ velocity.
Also, I’d like to add that I prefer flat notes (:oops:) to the bevelled look you see in many other sequencers.
Pigini@thcilnnahoj wrote:
@UncleAge wrote:
Not a must have but definitely a sweet feature that I liked when I used FL Studio’s demo was the ability to place chords in via the piano roll
I remember that! This would certainly be nice, but I agree that it’s lowest priority – you could probably even make midi files for a bunch of chords and import them as needed..
Hey, why low prio? Being able to do it in a “workaround sort of way” is not good enough, when one can have it quick and easy.
@thcilnnahoj wrote:
@pavouk100 wrote:
It would be nice to add MIDI velocity sensitivity according to the place where the piano key is clicked.
This would only be used for previewing, then? You can’t excactly add in notes by clicking the piano keys..
I guess, he meant the last pressed velocity-value should define the velocity for the next inputs. That would be neat.
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
semitransparent colours for ghost notes
It’s pretty comfortable see them with their colours. Then you can find easily without mute channels where is your chord progresion.
+1
@thcilnnahoj wrote:
– Note move buttons, like in energy XT: for moving selected notes (or all in midi clip, if none selected) up/down by a semitone or an octave.
– Velocity level +/- buttons: pretty much like the above – to equally control multiple notes’ velocity.
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+1
Could be done without buttons, just by dragging, but nice to have a choice.
And it could be more precise sometimes(thinking of different high resolutions, where some small mouse movements just are not easy to do).
I’m often using a Tablet-PC now and buttons/clickable areas would help in many ways with the pen input.
!!!A floating palette with user defined click functions would be great!!!
I’ll elaborate more on that later.
@thcilnnahoj wrote:
Also, I’d like to add that I prefer flat notes (:oops:) to the bevelled look you see in many other sequencers.
… and so do I. Bevelled notes? Nooooh, thanks!
LiquidProj3ct@thcilnnahoj wrote:
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
semitransparent colours for ghost notes
It’s pretty comfortable see them with their colours. Then you can find easily without mute channels where is your chord progresion.I think this idea about ghost notes retaining track colors could potentially clash with the very useful velocity-sensitive coloring of midi notes. Might have to try and see.
If I understand correctly, I don’t believe that they clash at all, due to the actual ghost notes haven’t any information in their color about velocity (they’re all the same grey)
Anyway, the most important feature request for me was the first: the maximun grid space should be the snap value. That’s kills tons of useless and confusing vertical lines!
Best regards 🙂
aMUSEdI don’t see the point of this ghost note thing (suddenly people are asking for this on the Reaper forum too – where does it come from). It just seems a way of cluttering up the midi view for minimal benefit.
Inline midi would be better if people want to line tracks up.
swindus@aMUSEd wrote:
suddenly people are asking for this on the Reaper forum too
Thats also LiquidProj3ct like in the Orion forum. 😉
I would like to see more quantize love in the piano roll like swing quantize and a shortcut key.
Pigini@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
Anyway, the most important feature request for me was the first: the maximun grid space should be the snap value. That’s kills tons of useless and confusing vertical lines!
Exactly. (but you mean minimal grid, don’t you?).
We could have both. A seperate choice of grid with snap value different from grid and “snap to grid”, which overrules snap value.
(Some ppl might want to use the grid not always just for snapping, but for different viewing, comparing or whatever.)
In addition, I would like to see custom grids (also with the option to snap to grid), defined by time values of chosen sequences.
EDIT: Actually it would be completely cool if the afforementioned “snap value” (not the snap to grid function )itself could also be defined by a sequence. That way we could have an ultimate custom quantization and a seperate grid.
Pigini@aMUSEd wrote:
I don’t see the point of this ghost note thing (suddenly people are asking for this on the Reaper forum too – where does it come from). It just seems a way of cluttering up the midi view for minimal benefit.
Inline midi would be better if people want to line tracks up.
It’s not only good for lining up, it would be great for actual composing to see what´s on other tracks already.
LiquidProj3ct@swindus wrote:
@aMUSEd wrote:
suddenly people are asking for this on the Reaper forum too
Thats also LiquidProj3ct like in the Orion forum. 😉
Yeah, it’s me. I bought Orion before heard anything of Podium (“Podium? what’s that?”), only because 7.5b has ghost notes. But they removed them from the beta and I feel so depresed with Orion.
Believe me, once you use them you don’t want another thing! 🙂 It’s much more quick that EnergyXT inline midi editor, because you haven’t to compare different pitch. This is more visible when you use a new scale. I only work with simple midi pitching and minor velocity or property changes (as the most trance/techno/dance amateur musicians).
Exactly. (but you mean minimal grid, don’t you?).
Yes I do, sorry my english sometimes fails 😛
UncleAgeAnother request:
When notes are moved with the snap “On”, I would like them to move relative to where they were. So let’s say…
I record a piece and I have a note that ended up @ 1.2.75
Nothing is quantized at this point.
I then go and set the snap to 1/8
I move that note, or maybe a group of notes to the second bar.
I want that note to sit at the same place in the second bar that it did in the first bar. I want that note to sit in the second bar at 2.2.75 not 2.2.5 or 2.3.0. The way it is right now the note would be quantized to the snap value if moved. That’s not preferable for me because I lose some of the subtleties that may have existed. If I set snap to 1/8 then I want the notes to move along that resolution. So, for instance, the possible snap points for that note would be 2.2.25 or 2.2.75 or 2.3.25 etc. And even though I used 1/16 divisions to make my point I am trying to find a way to retain the feel of the notes that fall inbetween even these divisions.
I hope that makes sense.
Pigini@UncleAge wrote:
When notes are moved with the snap “On”, I would like them to move relative to where they were…
What I suggested earlier would perfectly cover that and everything else.
You can snap to anything if you have support for custom grid/snap based on the timing of sequences and use that as a template for quantizing or for the shown grid. Could even cover irregular rhytm templates stretching over several bars or just one bar. That would be the swiss army knife of quantizing.
thcilnnahoj@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
If I understand correctly, I don’t believe that they clash at all, due to the actual ghost notes haven’t any information in their color about velocity (they’re all the same grey)
But the notes in your currently selected midi clip do – I think that colored ghost notes could create confusion here.
You’d have to limit your color choices for tracks, which again is impossible when pretty much the whole spectrum is covered by velocity levels – like in my screenshot below.
(Example: the first two tracks’ colors shine through at about 50%.
Personally, I think it’d distract more than help. :?)
Another one: MIDI Scalpel tool, for the IDM and breakbeat guys among us. 😛
Or is there already a way to split notes?
LiquidProj3cthey thcilnnahoj, take look at this video:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/samplitude–sequoia-midi-multi-object-editing/3277472020
I get the idea of multiple colours from here, at least in that sequencer it seems clear and helpful. My screenshot are done with microsoft paint, you can expect a lot of it 😛
ZynewaveWow, popular topic 🙂
I may not respond to each individual post, but I’ll work my way through the suggestions and pick out the features I find will fit in with this round of piano roll updates.
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Beta2 available:
Three new options in the piano roll region properties:
“Colorize notes with track colors”
“Draw notes with shadow effect”
“Audition notes when clicking and editing”
Alt+clicking any ghost note shown in the piano roll timeline will switch the editor to the corresponding sequence.
The clicked horizontal position on the keyboard controls the attack velocity of the audtioned note.
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Let me know if the new color options makes it difficult to distinguish the notes.
Btw. this is fun to work on. It’s been years since I implemented the old piano roll editor. The new stuff like the rescalable photographic keyboard and the note shadow effect is only practically possible with todays faster PCs. That being said, if some of you find that the the “draw notes with shadow effect” option is markedly slowing down your UI, please say so. I will then consider having the shadow option disabled by default.
LiquidProj3ct@Zynewave wrote:
Wow, popular topic 🙂
The piano roll, and the clip sequencer is the most important part of the most DAW 🙂
@Zynewave wrote:
Three new options in the piano roll region properties:
“Colorize notes with track colors”
“Draw notes with shadow effect”
“Audition notes when clicking and editing”Alt+clicking any ghost note shown in the piano roll timeline will switch the editor to the corresponding sequence.
The clicked horizontal position on the keyboard controls the attack velocity of the audtioned note.
My first son will be called Frits, in Spain even 😛
I can see everything crystal clear, I can change really quick between clips! Thanks you a lot!
@Zynewave wrote:
Btw. this is fun to work on. It’s been years since I implemented the old piano roll editor. The new stuff like the rescalable photographic keyboard and the note shadow effect is only practically possible with todays faster PCs. That being said, if some of you find that the the “draw notes with shadow effect” option is markedly slowing down your UI, please say so. I will then consider having the shadow option disabled by default.
It’s also exciting for me, a piano roll lover. Things about gridlines fix I suggested, or InLine Midi editor, redimension multiple notes, or quantization that other suggest could do the Podium piano roll the best avaliable in the market, better that FL Studio even.
Thanks you again! muchas gracias! 😀