Conquistador.
bladerunner@Zynewave wrote:
Wow, popular topic 🙂
Alt+clicking any ghost note shown in the piano roll timeline will switch the editor to the corresponding sequence.
wow. this is an amazing feature and a real time saver. thanks frits! 🙂
Pigini@Zynewave wrote:
The new stuff like the rescalable photographic keyboard and the note shadow effect is only practically possible with todays faster PCs. That being said, if some of you find that the the “draw notes with shadow effect” option is markedly slowing down your UI, please say so. I will then consider having the shadow option disabled by default.
Uhhh, ohhh :oops:, please consider making the graphic “extra bells and whistles”, which could possibly draw more resources, optional.
It’s not only, because I’m such a pragmatic bastard (who does not care if an app is monochrome as long as the feats are brilliant). 😉
When I’m on the train with my Tablet-PC running on battery, I’m clocking the cpu and graphics-chip down to extend battery life. The 3D of the graphics chip only kicks in when it is needed and so on…
By that, I get up to 1h!!! more run time from the new battery (well it depends on what I’m doing).
And I can imagine some ppl might not even want an extra drag on resources when working plugged in, because they prefer a quiet environment when making music (no fan kicking in etc.) or, if given the choice, prefer to run one plugin instance more instead of “eye candy”.
Generally, being low on resources is always a big plus for a DAW.
Podium, as it is, is actually very good at that, despite its good looking gui.
I hope that does not change, only because computers are getting faster.
thcilnnahoj@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
hey thcilnnahoj, take look at this video:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/samplitude–sequoia-midi-multi-object-editing/3277472020
I get the idea of multiple colours from here, at least in that sequencer it seems clear and helpful. My screenshot are done with microsoft paint, you can expect a lot of it 😛
Thanks, I can see why this is helpful – but it’s not without compromise (no different colors for velocities).
Looks like Frits implemented it the same way in beta 2.
And so far… it’s wonderful! 🙂 Shadow’s very classy as well.
But please keep it optional, as there are situations where velocity sensitive coloring is extremely useful still – a solo piano part, for example.
LiquidProj3ct@Pigini wrote:
And I can imagine some ppl might not even want an extra drag on resources when working plugged in, because they prefer a quiet environment when making music (no fan kicking in etc.) or, if given the choice, prefer to run one plugin instance more instead of “eye candy”.
I’m agree with you. But you have to think that there are some graphic features that are helpful for do music, and other doesn’t. I think shadow notes are a example about a helpful graphic feature. FL Studio’s Fruity Dance are the king of unhelpful graphic feature. Anyway Frits had kept it optional.
I sleep four hour lol I cannot sleep thinking into compose with this piano roll, I’m really impressed. Thx you again!
Pigini@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
But you have to think that there are some graphic features that are helpful for do music, and other doesn’t. I think shadow notes are a example about a helpful graphic feature.
I strongly support the idea of shadow notes, they could be very helpful.
I only don’t want to run out of juice (pun intended) and my computer getting all hot and loud only because my DAW just looks too beautiful. 😉
PiginiFor quicker input (step- or mouse based entry), I would like to see a configurable floating toolbox with all the the common notes available at the same time (whole note to 64th) with an additional selector normal/dotted/triple. The selection of note input values (selector box for everything) as it is now and in many other hosts is just one click to much and totally tedious and no fun to use. Note entry should be as quick as possible.
I would also like to have some customizable quick buttons to change selected notes durations quickly to staccato, portato, legato.
… and a costumizable “Divider” (could go to right click menu for each note) to slice notes into smaller notes.
It makes note entry even quicker and it allows unusual even or uneven timings (like 5 or 7 notes in one quarter, similar to triplets, just with 5 or seven maybe even 9 in it), maybe even divide by sample clip template (use custom timing from a short user sequence, similar to using sequences as a template for custom grids or quantization.)
Also wanted to make more clear, that snapping to grid is not the same as quantizing to grid (one could snap unquantized stuff to a new starting point on the grid while leaving the stuff itself unquantized), both should still be possible after the rework of the piano roll. (It seems to get overlooked by many ppl sometimes).
LiquidProj3ct@Pigini wrote:
What I suggested earlier would perfectly cover that and everything else.
You can snap to anything if you have support for custom grid/snap based on the timing of sequences and use that as a template for quantizing or for the shown grid. Could even cover irregular rhytm templates stretching over several bars or just one bar. That would be the swiss army knife of quantizing.
Each moment I think more in this. I don’t use quantization at all, maybe for some drums, but only few times. But for these people that does another music kind that need quantization this could be the same that talk with God. I think that is a brilliant feature that would allow write with lighning speed quantized melodies and drums.
I could do a custom grid with the minimun grid space that I want for avoid confusions even. 🙄
With some of the ideas here, Podium could have the most advanced and direct (not too much menus) piano roll I’ve see in my life.
Best regards 😀
adlaius… and a costumizable “Divider” (could go to right click menu for each note) to slice notes into smaller notes.
It makes note entry even quicker and it allows unusual even or uneven timings (like 5 or 7 notes in one quarter…
I gotta say +1 for these quantizing ideas. My interest would be in generic tuples, so rather than having a menu item for triples, quintuples, and so on, one could simply specify a tuple ratio in a dialog box or something (3:2 for triplet and so on). I bought Podium specifically because it has fewer features than the DAWs I have used in the past; for me Podium’s greatest strength is in its (comparative) simplicity. That said, manually specifying a tuple like 7:2 or 5:4 is a huge PITA 😕
Pigini@adlaius wrote:
My interest would be in generic tuples, so rather than having a menu item for triples, quintuples, and so on, one could simply specify a tuple ratio in a dialog box or something (3:2 for triplet and so on).
Yepp, I did mean a generic definable input for the “divider”, but a more common selector for the quick entry notes (normal, dotted, triplet) also. I’m just not sure I understand why a triplet would be defined 3:2?
I was thinking of having just one number there, like 3 for triplet and it divides the selected note into 3 evenly spaced parts (not necessarily three from a quarter note, but also three from a halve or a whole note and so on, depends on the original note.) It would also be great for very quickly generating unusual even values. Just take any long note, divide it by 8. It would only generate 8th notes if the original note was a whole note, it would not just generate 8th all along. There are enough other ways to do that. It would rather be like redefining the whole note by selection and generating 8th based on it.
Sounds a bit confusing, but is actually simple ;).
“Redefining the whole note” (=4/4 measure) could lay the foundation for much niftier functions (eg. amazingly simple generation of lively performances and so on), but for now: “let’s piano roll!!”.
Additional:
One could take the whole idea to really universal flexibility, if one defined further differences and applied the concept of “relative to selected note” (that’s what I described above) or “absolute in relation to another quantifier”.
Example: For quantifier whole note (=4/4measure), and divider 16, you would just slice whatever you selected into normal 16ths.
adlaiusI’m just not sure I understand why a triplet would be defined 3:2?
Sorry, I guess I should have explained my notation a little. 😳
Read it as x:y where x is the number of notes sounded and y is the number of beats over which those notes sound. So if we’re talking about quarter notes, 2:1 is two eighth notes, 1:2 is a half note, and 3:2 is a quarter note triplet. That reference style makes it quite easy to input and work with polyrhythms or more “modern” melodies.
Your proposal is interesting, though, because it seems like more of an improv/remix approach to modifying existing material:
Just take any long note, divide it by 8. It would only generate 8th notes if the original note was a whole note, it would not just generate 8th all along.
Heh. Combine this idea with a means to work with odd divisions and you could make some crazy stuff!
Pigini@adlaius wrote:
Read it as x:y where x is the number of notes sounded and y is the number of beats over which those notes sound. So if we’re talking about quarter notes, 2:1 is two eighth notes, 1:2 is a half note, and 3:2 is a quarter note triplet. That reference style makes it quite easy to input and work with polyrhythms or more “modern” melodies.
Ah, yes! That’s a very clever way of describing it in relation to beats.
@adlaius wrote:
Your proposal is interesting, though, because it seems like more of an improv/remix approach to modifying existing material:
Yes, it would be like placing a tuner at a spot, where you get the freedom to control timings and durations with finest detail, leaving the standard grid and having the option to remain within its boundaries aswell.
Just take any long note, divide it by 8. It would only generate 8th notes if the original note was a whole note, it would not just generate 8th all along.
@adlaius wrote:
Heh. Combine this idea with a means to work with odd divisions and you could make some crazy stuff!
Exactly. I only chose the 8th and 16th example to make more clear, that even with those divisions, one would not just get the usual 8th or 16th, unless the original note was a whole note.
… and if there was an option of using a sample midi sequence as a template (aka rythm template, scaling to the selected note), you could easily do weighted slices (swinged slices, or whatever you like). 😉
ZynewaveBeta3:
Clicking the piano roll keyboard will keep the note playing until the mouse button is released. Dragging up or down the keyboard will retrigger the played note. The clicked horizontal position controls the attack velocity.
The Shift/Ctrl/Alt-click actions on the piano keyboard can be customized separately for the select and pencil tool. The available actions include various note selections with audition, and a set of commands for step editing.
Using the step-editing actions on the piano keyboard will add/delete notes at the edit cursor position. The editor quantize value determines the duration of the notes. If the edit cursor is moved using keyboard shortcuts before releasing the mouse, then the current edit cursor position determines the duration. If looping is enabled then the edit cursor stepping wraps around at the loop end position. If playback is started and the “link edit cursor to play cursor” option is enabled, then the added notes and their duration is determined by the real-time position of the play cursor.
swindusNice changes so far! Please don’t forget to implement some of them like using track colors and shadows for the notes in the drum map editor. 😉
LiquidProj3ctThanks. Could you add to ctrl/shift/click/alt the “right click” action please?
I say that because I’d like delete notes with right click.
Best regards
swindusRight click opens a popup menu. When using right click for deleting notes how to open the popup?
And the changes from above only affects the piano key area not the piano roll area. So changing the delete action to right click will not change anything in the area where the notes are placed. It only affects the notes at the current edit cursor position when clicking on a piano key.