Topic: Preview 2.09: Piano roll editor updates

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January 21, 2009 at 18:34 #13836

Conquistador
Participant

@UncleAge wrote:

@Conquistador wrote:

Putting a Piano roll specific FR list together of my own. 🙂

No doubt 😆

Indeed… 😛

My list for the Piano rolll for now…

1. Note names…with a user configurable colour option for the text.

2. Horizontal highlight…with a user configurable colour which could include an option to choose the selected tracks colour.

3. Much better use of the Event view…

The is a big space to the left of the Piano roll view…why not fill it up with the Event view which clearly will have info directly related to the Piano roll?

Large empty space…

I think this is much better…

4. New Midi Preview browser window

I initially thought this would be better in the List view but it could work just as well in the PR.

Since the Piano roll already knows which track is selected why not add a Midi import command to the Piano roll File menu? (Midi Export is already there) so surely Midi Import should follow. The midi file gets imported and an additional preview function in a new browser would play the midi file through whichever synth the PRV has focus on.

This could work for drums as well. Simply select your synth track in the Piano roll, select the Import Midi command and browse your hard drive for midi files. Press a preview button (in the new browser) to hear the midi file playing through your drum VSTi. If you are happy with what you hear click ok to import that midi file into Podium.

The volume of the track with the synth on it, could determine the volume of the preview.

That is all for now…heh 🙂

January 21, 2009 at 18:37 #13837

Zynewave
Keymaster

@Pigini wrote:

@Zynewave wrote:

Not true. Adding dotted notes with the mouse is always aligned at bar start when snap is on.

Hugh? I tried it yesterday and it was all over the place. Will try it again when I’m home. Well, you’re probably right, having programmed the app..
Guess I must have done something wrong as tired as I was, or my graphics shifted or whatever. 🙄

However, trying to be witty with me over a minor detail, while ignoring a suggestion entirely (IMHO a very useful one), is very rude. If you had bothered reading, you would have realized just with how little an effort Podium could have the quickest note input, and not just the very same lame thing any average host has.

It’s not the first time you seem to be fighting off good ideas, esp. the original ones, and do some catching up on trivial matters instead, polishing buttons or whatever.
… Maybe programming functionality is just not so much fun as gui-stuff. Don’t you realize, just how much interest there is in functionality esp. with the piano roll?

You’re such a Diva sometimes. 😆

I’m not upset btw (since it’s written, it could get misinterpreted esp. when it is confrontational), it only needed to be said. 8)

What did I do wrong to get such a reply 😕

My comment about dotted note alignment was not meant to be witty, just correcting a false statement. At the moment I’m implementing shortcut buttons to note values. Something you requested earlier. I already stated in an earlier reply in this topic that I would not reply to individual posts, but gather up the ideas and implement them as I go.

January 21, 2009 at 18:55 #13838

Pigini
Participant

@Zynewave wrote:

What did I do wrong to get such a reply 😕

My comment about dotted note alignment was not meant to be witty, just correcting a false statement. At the moment I’m implementing shortcut buttons to note values. Something you requested earlier. I already stated in an earlier reply in this topic that I would not reply to individual posts, but gather up the ideas and implement them as I go.

😳 Oops, I did it again, didn’t I?
Seems like this week I just thread into every dog poo there is, and whenever I want to sit down land in a latrine. 🙁
(Not only here, just everywhere. I mean well and it all ends up in alot of bullshit, which I even created myself.) Dooh..

I’m sorry and I do apologize. I misinterpreted your reply as ignoring all the rest of my post and as a put down to the note shortcut and snap feature. … and that was like the final kick inthe balls today for me.
At the beginning of the thread you sounded as if you were more into cosmetics for the piano roll initially, and I thought you got fed up with the wishlist about the functionality stuff.

..And I lied, ..because.. I was upset. 😥

January 21, 2009 at 20:59 #13841

Pigini
Participant

Back to normal.

The note shortcut buttons could have a function in selection mode too.
They could change the value for selected notes.

January 21, 2009 at 22:12 #13842

H-man
Participant

@Conquistador wrote:

@UncleAge wrote:

@Conquistador wrote:

Putting a Piano roll specific FR list together of my own. 🙂

No doubt 😆

Indeed… 😛

My list for the Piano rolll for now…

1. Note names…with a user configurable colour option for the text.

2. Horizontal highlight…with a user configurable colour which could include an option to choose the selected tracks colour.

3. Much better use of the Event view…

The is a big space to the left of the Piano roll view…why not fill it up with the Event view which clearly will have info directly related to the Piano roll?

Large empty space…

I think this is much better…

4. New Midi Preview browser window

I initially thought this would be better in the List view but it could work just as well in the PR.

Since the Piano roll already knows which track is selected why not add a Midi import command to the Piano roll File menu? (Midi Export is already there) so surely Midi Import should follow. The midi file gets imported and an additional preview function in a new browser would play the midi file through whichever synth the PRV has focus on.

This could work for drums as well. Simply select your synth track in the Piano roll, select the Import Midi command and browse your hard drive for midi files. Press a preview button (in the new browser) to hear the midi file playing through your drum VSTi. If you are happy with what you hear click ok to import that midi file into Podium.

The volume of the track with the synth on it, could determine the volume of the preview.

That is all for now…heh 🙂

+1

I had been thinking about the midi event list properties as a tool tip or pop up but this would work.

The changes so far are really great! For me though I had always found the Pencil in Podium to be the ultimate weapon, it does everything except chords (in one shot).

hmmm …new FR, Chord Brush, Arp Brush etc. Probably better as midi plug-ins maybe.

Any feedback on the Piano Roll Keyboard responding to an attached controller? Also, step recording from midi controller keyboard?

Again, new features and options are wonderful (I’m running out of superlatives…) 😆

Ben

January 22, 2009 at 00:03 #13845

UncleAge
Participant

@Conquistador wrote:

3. Much better use of the Event view…

The is a big space to the left of the Piano roll view…why not fill it up with the Event view which clearly will have info directly related to the Piano roll?

In no way, form or fashion am I trying to derail this discussion but could someone tell me how or why they use the Event View? I always thought of it as a nice thing but never found a use for it.

January 22, 2009 at 00:24 #13846

H-man
Participant

@UncleAge wrote:

@Conquistador wrote:

3. Much better use of the Event view…

The is a big space to the left of the Piano roll view…why not fill it up with the Event view which clearly will have info directly related to the Piano roll?

In no way, form or fashion am I trying to derail this discussion but could someone tell me how or why they use the Event View? I always thought of it as a nice thing but never found a use for it.

Hey UA,

Just a different presentation of the midi data really, but in a somewhat condensed form (all info at your finger-tips) with no need for graphical interpretation.

My thought was to be able to access and edit this info from the note as displayed on the Piano Roll as like a tool tip that you can make changes through, like the current mixer Meter & Fader routings display.

I’m not married to the idea but I think it could be handy.

January 22, 2009 at 07:07 #13848

Pigini
Participant

@UncleAge wrote:

In no way, form or fashion am I trying to derail this discussion but could someone tell me how or why they use the Event View? I always thought of it as a nice thing but never found a use for it.

Event view is sometimes handy, if it’s actually an editable event list and not just a different viewing experience.
On the Atari, I work most of the time with the event list.
In some of those programs you can actually have some custom events there doing all sorts of stuff (like randomization, start and stop of other sequences, control looping etc.).
On my tiny 10 inch screen, there is no wasted space left of the piano view , though.

January 22, 2009 at 07:36 #13849

Pigini
Participant

@Conquistador wrote:

Since the Piano roll already knows which track is selected why not add a Midi import command to the Piano roll File menu? (Midi Export is already there) so surely Midi Import should follow. The midi file gets imported and an additional preview function in a new browser would play the midi file through whichever synth the PRV has focus on.

This could work for drums as well. Simply select your synth track in the Piano roll, select the Import Midi command and browse your hard drive for midi files. Press a preview button (in the new browser) to hear the midi file playing through your drum VSTi. If you are happy with what you hear click ok to import that midi file into Podium.

The volume of the track with the synth on it, could determine the volume of the preview.

+1 I’m always in favour of doing things with midi bits and pieces and im-/export is key for that.
I suggested something similar once for the arrange view, midi import drag and drop made it into podium, but not the drag and drop export.
Drag and drop working in both directions would be even better (giving us a song editor to arrange parts very quickly).
Maybe the system requester box cannot be skipped for saving and needs user interaction? Could a container in ram holding those midi clips solve that?

Edit: Now that you mentioned it. I just realized, we can work songeditor-style already, only without drag and drop for export. I always overlooked the export feature in the piano roll.

January 22, 2009 at 13:09 #13855

Conquistador
Participant

@Pigini wrote:

Back to normal.

The note shortcut buttons could have a function in selection mode too.
They could change the value for selected notes.

Ooohh yes please. 8)

@UncleAge wrote:

In no way, form or fashion am I trying to derail this discussion but could someone tell me how or why they use the Event View? I always thought of it as a nice thing but never found a use for it.

I think Pigini and H- Man pretty much said what I think about it. Editable Event view data. Can be very useful. It is currently tucked away. Needs to be brought along side the PR for a much easier workflow. Many trying the Podium demo may not even know it has an Event view!

@H-man wrote:

My thought was to be able to access and edit this info from the note as displayed on the Piano Roll as like a tool tip that you can make changes through, like the current mixer Meter & Fader routings display.

That tool tip idea as an addition to allowing the Event view to be seen along side the PR would be a very nice option to have…nice idea.

Any feedback on the Piano Roll Keyboard responding to an attached controller? Also, step recording from midi controller keyboard?

For some reason I thought step recording from a Midi controller keyboard was already possible.

January 22, 2009 at 13:10 #13856

swindus
Participant

@swindus wrote:

Please don’t forget to implement some of them like using track colors and shadows for the notes in the drum map editor. 😉

And for the velocity bars also.

January 23, 2009 at 23:41 #13914

Pigini
Participant

Already done with ideas for the piano roll?
Let’s play. The topic is piano roll…
… and I say:
“Layers.”

January 24, 2009 at 02:25 #13915

H-man
Participant

@Pigini wrote:

Already done with ideas for the piano roll?
Let’s play. The topic is piano roll…
… and I say:
“Layers.”

“Circular Editor” 😯

January 24, 2009 at 09:03 #13916

Pigini
Participant

@H-man wrote:

@Pigini wrote:

Already done with ideas for the piano roll?
Let’s play. The topic is piano roll…
… and I say:
“Layers.”

“Circular Editor” 😯

Why?
I was more thinking of throwing a basic feature topic in and others would join in with ideas, how it could be utilized.
like:
layers:
– sections on top layers have higher priority and per default cancel out/overwrite whats underneath.
– their order can be rearranged
– can be switched on/off, added , deleted etc
– can add variations for parts without changing the original material
– can be selected as targets for midi plugin performance renderings, again with the advantage of keeping the original midi data
– could do some operations connected to the original data, like filtering, matting, slicing, snapping etc.

something like that.

January 24, 2009 at 21:22 #13924

H-man
Participant

Oh, 😳 I thought you were trying to open up the thread to more “oustide the square” ideas.

eg.
Mouse Gestures -taken from some games,Wii, iPhone etc.
Zoom window feature -similar to some graphics packages

…sutff like that.