Topic: Preview 2.20: Various UI improvements

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August 8, 2009 at 17:59 #15962

Mike G
Participant

Couple of other minor suggestions:
1-When click on midi note or drum editor window (popup or embedded) is would be nice if the display auto scrolled down to make as many notes in view as possible or at least move so highest note in sequence is at the top.

2-With new timeline it’s not as easy to scroll to the right, past the end of the arrangement. (Was easier with scroll bar also present due to beind able to zoom out past full width of tracks and also being able to click > arrow)

Thanks.

August 8, 2009 at 18:34 #15963

thcilnnahoj
Participant

How could I forget this one:

Allow resizing of multiple selected events in the arrangement! It sounds simple enough to do, but of course it may not be…
(Extended version: also apply this to multiple events’ fade/gain handles)

August 9, 2009 at 00:55 #15965

Zynewave
Keymaster

Beta 2:

Added “create project template” and “create arrangement” options to the project start page. Enabling arrangement creation will no longer pop up the new arrangement dialog, but instead use default settings and go directly to the arrangement editor.

Removed the “editor type” setting from the editor profile properties dialog. The editor type is now automatically determined from the regions that are included in the profile.

The embedded editor view menu now includes editor profiles that has a timeline ruler. Selecting a profile with its own timeline ruler will detach the timeline zooming from the arrangement editor. The embedded editor remembers if the last selected profile had its own timeline.

August 9, 2009 at 08:10 #15967

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

You’re big man! Thanks!

I find some bugs. I added a timeline ruler to embedded piano roll for try this, and there were the bugs I find (click on it):

1. Piano Roll and Piano Roll embedded are confused when you open it in embedded or in a floating window
2. The embedded version doesn’t show the clip’s lenght, instead it shows until the end of the last note in the clip.

And a suggestion, would be nice an option where mixer and embedded editor were mutually exclusive? So you could alternate between them quickly, saving some of your screen height. I even could say that mixer could be another function of embedded editor, which would autoshow itself when a track header were selected (instead a clip).

August 9, 2009 at 09:52 #15968

Mike G
Participant

I’ve previously only ever used expanded view so I have a question about “compact” view.

-I add a new track called “Group 1”
-Then set “Use as Group Track” = Yes
-I want to drag an existing track into that group but I can’t
-Only way I can do it is by right-clicking and selecting the menu item “Move Track” “To Group” “Group 1”

Strange thing is once I’ve added one track I can drag other tracks on to the group.

Is that the expected behaviour?
I would have expected to be able to drag child tracks onto a group track.

Other than that I’m finding the “New” (new for me at least) compact view to be a lot less confusing when dragging.
By allowing less places to drag things it makes it easier to do the right thing!

Thanks,
Mike G

(NOTE: Still using 2.19)

August 9, 2009 at 16:59 #15972

thcilnnahoj
Participant

@Zynewave wrote:

The embedded editor view menu now includes editor profiles that has a timeline ruler. Selecting a profile with its own timeline ruler will detach the timeline zooming from the arrangement editor. The embedded editor remembers if the last selected profile had its own timeline.

Wow, that was quick! 😮
Looks very nice but it’s not there just yet. Simply try de- and reselecting an event – it uses the right profile but the zoom level is still locked (I tried with the default setup).

More suggestions:

– Add a default track color to the default setup color settings. Grey events/notes on grey background are not the prettiest thing to look at, and totally new users might be turned off. The coloring feature could be nicely displayed if all tracks were colored already, and it would also automatically activate the color picker in the inspector, which you can’t miss then on opening your first project ever.

– Add a right-click menu to the power button with a checkbox for “activate power when opening arrangement” and a shortcut to MIDI/Audio interface options.

– A little cosmetics: Maybe add a seperate option for how much the track color is applied to note events when ‘colorize notes with track colors’ is enabled. As it is now you can’t have nicely saturated notes without setting an over-saturated track color, as the notes are always less colorized than the track. If you were to set ghost note contrast to 100%, even the ghosted notes become more saturated than the actual notes when you select A MIDI event.

Also found a little spelling error: On the ‘create new project’ page, the help for both ‘scan and import plugins’ buttons says: “[…] import of VST plugins that supports […] configurations.”

@Mike G wrote:

With new timeline it’s not as easy to scroll to the right, past the end of the arrangement. (Was easier with scroll bar also present due to beind able to zoom out past full width of tracks and also being able to click > arrow)

If you have activated ‘left-click to slide timeline’ (on by default) it shouldn’t be a problem to do that. Otherwise you can zoom out infinitely with the navigator, though it’s not exactly the same as just scrolling right of course. You can also use shift+mouse wheel to scroll horizontally… Guess I’m not telling you anything new here. 😉

Edit: Scratch the other post. Dumb mistake on my part. 🙄

August 9, 2009 at 21:44 #15975

Zynewave
Keymaster

@LiquidProj3ct wrote:

I find some bugs. I added a timeline ruler to embedded piano roll for try this, and there were the bugs I find (click on it):

1. Piano Roll and Piano Roll embedded are confused when you open it in embedded or in a floating window

You should not add the timeline to the “old” embedded profile. Otherwise you end up with two floating profiles and no “shared timeline” profile. Just select the “old” floating profile from the view menu in the embedded editor.

2. The embedded version doesn’t show the clip’s lenght, instead it shows until the end of the last note in the clip.

Fixed.

And a suggestion, would be nice an option where mixer and embedded editor were mutually exclusive? So you could alternate between them quickly, saving some of your screen height. I even could say that mixer could be another function of embedded editor, which would autoshow itself when a track header were selected (instead a clip).

That is possible by creating alternative profiles. Create a duplicate of your current arrangement profile, remove the embedded editor from one, and remove the mixer from the other. Then swap between the two profiles in the view menu, or by using the F8 shortcut.

August 9, 2009 at 22:05 #15976

Zynewave
Keymaster

@thcilnnahoj wrote:

Simply try de- and reselecting an event – it uses the right profile but the zoom level is still locked (I tried with the default setup).

I’m not sure I understand. When you select an event, and the embedded editor shows a timelined profile, then the initial timeline zoom is set to the duration of the event. You can then change the zoom of the embedded editor without affecting the arrangement zoom.

August 9, 2009 at 23:48 #15977

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

Thanks Frits, it works. Another minor GUI request, could be possible set a maximum track height? I don’t like when I hide the embedded editor and the tracks seems gum…

August 10, 2009 at 04:36 #15978

thcilnnahoj
Participant

@Zynewave wrote:

@thcilnnahoj wrote:

Simply try de- and reselecting an event – it uses the right profile but the zoom level is still locked (I tried with the default setup).

I’m not sure I understand. When you select an event, and the embedded editor shows a timelined profile, then the initial timeline zoom is set to the duration of the event. You can then change the zoom of the embedded editor without affecting the arrangement zoom.

Yes, meanwhile i noticed this, too. I spoke too soon 😳 – it first confused me that the zoom setting changed when I selected a different event, and as luck would have it, it changed precisely to a zoom level at which it looked as if it was still time-locked.
I’ve put a short video in my box, maybe it explains what confused me better – I guess those zoom jumps are not the intended behaviour.

August 10, 2009 at 07:50 #15979

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

And one more tiny request: not preview edited or added notes while Podium is playing, it’s pretty confusing and more confusing if you’re using some drums that cut theirself (Open hat – Close hat, as example)

August 10, 2009 at 11:03 #15984

Zynewave
Keymaster

@thcilnnahoj wrote:

@Zynewave wrote:

@thcilnnahoj wrote:

Simply try de- and reselecting an event – it uses the right profile but the zoom level is still locked (I tried with the default setup).

I’m not sure I understand. When you select an event, and the embedded editor shows a timelined profile, then the initial timeline zoom is set to the duration of the event. You can then change the zoom of the embedded editor without affecting the arrangement zoom.

Yes, meanwhile i noticed this, too. I spoke too soon 😳 – it first confused me that the zoom setting changed when I selected a different event, and as luck would have it, it changed precisely to a zoom level at which it looked as if it was still time-locked.
I’ve put a short video in my box, maybe it explains what confused me better – I guess those zoom jumps are not the intended behaviour.

I think this is the same bug that Liquidproject reported, so try again when the next beta3 is uploaded.

August 10, 2009 at 11:06 #15985

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

-Trying to center the piano roll content to vertical height would accelerate the workflow I think
-I don’t know if this is a GUI related FR or an easy one, but please, remember an option for right click that delete and unselect notes.

Sorry for massive requesting Frits, but I see tons of minor GUI object/behaviour that could benefits from some love 🙂

August 10, 2009 at 11:33 #15986

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

While you’re dragging tracks it would be nice eliminate the grey band you see here, leaving the grey line only. It would be more clear where are you moving the track

This is a bad behavior dragging tracks also. If I want move a track above Track 2, it goes inside Main Drums group, it rather confusing for a newbie!

August 10, 2009 at 12:35 #15990

LiquidProj3ct
Participant

Hey Frits, this is a bug (I think it’s a bug) present in olders Podium version also, but I didn’t know how replicate it, now I do know. The bug is that sometimes you cannot delete selected clip in arrangement view with SUPR key (DELETE).

Create any clip in any track, and edit it (add notes/audio/…). Then rotate between profiles with F8 until you reach again the original profile. now try to erase the clip with DELETE/SUPR key, you cannot.

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