Topic: Some Thoughts About Podium’s Future

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  • #2852
    alex
    Participant

    I could say I know Podium Free pretty good know. But I ain’t gonna talk about Podium free this time. It’s a great peace of software both for newbies and people who are flat broke. Together with Audacity or/and Wavosaur and a bunch of freeware vst and vsti plugins (and a lot of workarounds) it makes it possible to get professional results. So, Podium free is the most generous lite version of software ever and for that: Thank you Frits!

    But, let’s see how’s Podium doing. Not so good, I’m afraid.

    Before I’ve started writing this I took a look at what was done between 2.42 and current version (about 15 months) and between 2.24 and 2.42 (15 months again). I won’t discuss that, but take a look if you want. I also won’t discuss “one man show” or how much time the dev has for Podium and for what reasons (I have to mention that I understand that he’s a software engineer an is interested in many things – it somehow explains his wish that Podium runs on freakin’ tablets. Nobody who’s serious about music will ever feel the need for something like that, not to mention the fact that soon, Frits won’t have anything serious to run on anything if something doesn’t change. I let a few of my buddies know about Podium free (all experienced DAW users). After some time the comments were:” Really nice, it’s just such a shame that…….. (see The Telenator’s thread)”:

    http://www.zynewave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2861

    Now, I’m aware of the fact that my requests will be somewhere at the end of the dev’s to-do list if at all (and that shouldn’t be that way (not because of me of coarse)). I asked for: Dual pan, pan knob on sends and precount (and those are must have features for every serious DAW). Now, I don’t care about midi too much (but I absolutely agree with most of the midi feature requests), but I need MIDI routing for mixing – I couldn’t even create a trigger track to add a sample to a kick. Fx automation is also a must have feature.

    Now, I think this wasn’t a bad idea at all:

    @michi_mak wrote:

    yes, that was me suggesting a kind of poll…
    my idea was that Frits holds the poll so he can decide which features he wants to inplement and let us vote for most wanted ones.

    another suggestion would be :
    everbody posts one thead per request and adds a polling option with 3 choices : a) i would use this feature b) i would not use this feature c) i don’t know

    Let me explain why. More or less all the features on the list are must have, but (what should come first?):

    – Dithering
    – Timestretching

    Even though these are must have features I find the support of an external wave editor more useful (it’s also one of the requests) – one can use Audacity for that and the people who owe a professional wave editor with timestretching and dithering and noise shaping or a mastering limiter with dithering and noise shaping on board will use that, anyway. And, of coarse, nothing can replace real time timestreching, which brings me to:

    – On the fly sample rate conversion (access to an external wave editor as a workaround, again)

    But, the need for workarounds for such basic features shouldn’t even exist – I’m just trying to figure out which feature would solve more problems than the other.

    – Autosave

    That’s the first thing I disable when I want to use any DAW. But, all DAWs have it. It can save newbies from loosing their work and the pros will turn it off.

    I won’t discuss MIDI – as I said I only need MIDI routing (and agree with most of the midi feature requests).

    I think I could keep writing forever, but I think I made my point – everybody has different needs and maybe what michi_mac suggested is a good solution for both Frits and the users.

    TBH I won’t buy Podium until all the features I need are implemented. I enjoyed every minute spent with Podium Free very much and don’t want to become a pissed Podium owner.

    Cheers, Alex

    #22518
    The Telenator
    Participant

    I hope you don’t mind, but checking in here again I find yours are about the only resent posts, so I am following you around the forum it seems.

    I agree with just about all you’ve said, except I choose to stay with the licensed version of Podium, if only that I can’t cope with single-core processing. It took me quite A while to assess the situation that exists currently with Podium development. When I fully comprehended the situation I made the move to start using a second DAW. Sometime later, I also realized that practically everyone else was already doing this! And for all sorts of reasons, although lack of features in whatever DAW was probably the major reason.

    I am less concerned than some about the ‘fancier’ features that Podium lacks; my concern has been mainly for the smaller and much less troublesome to add features, such as the ‘pre-count’ as a perfect example. Time Stretching we can sit and debate, but these certain other, smaller things are jarring omissions. I simply can’t understand the logic being applied when it comes to this, and honestly I have given up trying to understand. I have no more time to invent workarounds. In total, I wasted about a month on this, and most were failures anyway.

    I intend to stay with Podium in the licensed version, but I can just as easily see myself freezing it at whatever edition I have when the license finally expires. I have to question paying for something that doesn’t improve in the most basic and necessary ways. But my main point to this post is that I have just about given up on advocating anything here — Podium is what it is, like it or not. I’m in this odd position now of still liking certain things about Podium more than any others but no longer willing to waste my time or bang my head against a wall. It’s like I’ve said too many times before — Podium only needs 8 or 10 features added (the exact number here we have debated some before), and it would rival any other currently on the market. Unfortunately, saying this does not make it so, does it?

    #22522
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    Fx automation is also a must have feature.

    Do you mean for hardware processors? Because the wiki has a list of device definitions that other users have configured. Of course, it’s not a comprehensive list, and there are instructions on how to set this up for particular devices. Controlling parameters on a midi device should be possible using midi cc messages.

    I hope that information is useful. I don’t have any gear in my ‘studio’ so haven’t explored this scenario.

    When it comes to VSTi and VSTfx, you can assign midi cc to parameters or write automation to a track lane. There are numerous ways to achieve the latter.

    1. Record arm the track with the plugin. Start recording. Adjust the knob/field/slider parameter on the plugin. An automation lane will be written.
    2. Right-click the slot of the plugin whose parameter you wish to automate. Navigate into the menu labelled Automate parameter and select the one you want.
    3. Open the Inspector, find the parameter in the device list and double-click it.

    I’m not sure how it’s achieved, but it should be possible to, link any set of parameters to a generic midi controller, and have customised assignments for each project. For the times you want the x/y controller on a KAOS pad to be mapped to different parameters, for example.

    #22524
    alex
    Participant

    @The Telenator wrote:

    It’s like I’ve said too many times before — Podium only needs 8 or 10 features added (the exact number here we have debated some before), and it would rival any other currently on the market. Unfortunately, saying this does not make it so, does it?

    I couldn’t agree more.

    And I think, that would make professionals rate Podium much higher than now. Podium would be mentioned more often as a serious DAW (and lately it barely gets mentioned). Of coarse, Frits would have to implement all must have features at some point, but I think this would buy him some time to do that. That could be a good way to commercial success imo.

    However, I’m afraid he’s already made his choice:

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I think mobile music creation is going to cannibalize the traditional PC/Mac DAWS in the years to come. In 5 years time I expect more than 95% of all music-creators will be using a mobile device as their primary way to record and arrange compositions.

    No matter how good I make Podium, professional studios will never dare taking the risk of using a one-man created DAW as the cornerstone software of their studio. That means my main target are the creative musicians, and they are going towards mobile as I see it. If I stay committed to writing Windows-only software, I don’t see a great future for Podium.

    But, this:

    @Zynewave wrote:

    So, it’s difficult for me to say what will come in 2013, but I’m getting anxious to return to ‘pure’ Podium development mode. I have no major features lined up for the next releases, so perhaps the best solution for you would be to wait with the update renewal, until you notice the Podium release cycle has returned to a more permanent stride.

    Not in 2013 😯 ❓ ❗ When, then ❓ 😕

    @Levendis wrote:

    @alex wrote:

    Fx automation is also a must have feature.

    Do you mean for hardware processors?

    When it comes to VSTi and VSTfx, you can assign midi cc to parameters or write automation to a track lane. There are numerous ways to achieve the latter.

    1. Record arm the track with the plugin. Start recording. Adjust the knob/field/slider parameter on the plugin. An automation lane will be written.
    2. Right-click the slot of the plugin whose parameter you wish to automate. Navigate into the menu labelled Automate parameter and select the one you want.
    3. Open the Inspector, find the parameter in the device list and double-click it.

    No, I don’t owe any outboard gear.

    And tnx for explaining this. I missed it, somehow. So, one down 😀 and a few more to go 🙁

    BTW I think there should be a subforum called: “Ask Levendis”. 😀

    #22527
    Levendis
    Participant

    @alex wrote:

    I think there should be a subforum called: “Ask Levendis”.

    Tee hee 😆

    “Ask Levendis” sounds like a column in a tabloid.

    #22528
    alex
    Participant

    @Levendis wrote:

    Tee hee 😆

    “Ask Levendis” sounds like a column in a tabloid.

    I know 😆 but I remembered “Ask Joe” from Home Studio Corner.

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