Zynewave.
swayzakhi
My setup is in my sig.
Currently I use mainly Cubase SX2.2 as the main host sequencer as midi support is important to me (and much as I like FLS, gol appears to have virtually ceased midi development e.g. Sysex etc.).
I haven’t upgraded to SX3 because it doesn’t really offer me anything I want.
Could Podium be a suitable replacement or alternative for me ?
I would like to be able to record Sysex realtime parameter changes for my Yamaha stuff in the sequencer e.g. via live “knob” twiddling of my Control Freak or using the standalone editor programs for the plg cards (which output Sysex).
Does Podium have PDC ?
Are future midi enhancements likely to be implemented ?
I also see that Rewire is planned – that would also be useful for me.
cheers
swayzak
ZynewaveHi swayzak,
Could Podium be a suitable replacement or alternative for me ?
Good question. I think the MIDI support in Podium is pretty strong, but Podium does not have the plethora of alternative editing possibilites that Cubase may have. If you’re lucky, then Podium may have just what you want.
I would like to be able to record Sysex realtime parameter changes for my Yamaha stuff in the sequencer e.g. via live “knob” twiddling of my Control Freak or using the standalone editor programs for the plg cards (which output Sysex).
This is possible in Podium, but to be able to automate SysEx parameters, you need to have a properly configured device definition imported into your project. Currently there are only a few devices in the Podium library. If you have a synth that there is no device definition for, then any SysEx messages will just be recorded as sysex events, which cannot be modified with curve automation etc.
I see in your sig. that you have a SW1000XG card. I have one too, and in fact I used it as a model for the MIDI support in Podium. There is an extensive device definition for the SW1K in the demo, so perhaps you could try with that for starters.
Does Podium have PDC ?
Yes. Full delay compensation on both inserts and busses, and both for plugins and MIDI/audio compensation on external devices.
Are future midi enhancements likely to be implemented ?
Plenty. Check out the ‘future development’ post in the future forum.
I also see that Rewire is planned – that would also be useful for me.
I still haven’t been able review the Rewire spec, so I have no estimate for when/if this will arrive.
If you have further questions, please ask.
Frits
swayzakThanks
Good question. I think the MIDI support in Podium is pretty strong, but Podium does not have the plethora of alternative editing possibilites that Cubase may have. If you’re lucky, then Podium may have just what you want.
Does Podium aspire eventually to rival Cubase in the Midi editing department ?
Would it be easy to setup device definitions for my plugstation plg cards (AN-150, DX-150, PF-150 and VL-150) ?
ZynewaveDoes Podium aspire eventually to rival Cubase in the Midi editing department ?
As long as a certain MIDI editing functionality is a natural extension to the Podium UI, then I will try to implement it. Anything special you have in mind?
Would it be easy to setup device definitions for my plugstation plg cards (AN-150, DX-150, PF-150 and VL-150) ?
All is relative, but figuring out SysEx messages is not something I would call easy. You can see how it is done in Podium on the Parameters page in the guide.
swayzakthanks again
Trying the demo now – nice GUI.
However, being used to Cubase, FLS and Reason, I’m not finding the interface very intuitive !
Tried to start a simple project but can’t seem to set the audio properly to get a sound with a VSTi.
Keep getting:
“Error: The map produces audio but there is no parent track mapping that handles the audio”
Also Podium crashes when searching VSTi folder when it gets to M42 plugin (Wavelab also has problems with this, specifically with the associated sf2 file). I’m going to email Algo about it.
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ZynewaveTried to start a simple project but can’t seem to set the audio properly to get a sound with a VSTi.
Have you tried following the getting started instructions?
“Error: The map produces audio but there is no parent track mapping that handles the audio”
This is probably because you have a track with a plugin that you have placed at the first group level. Only the master out track should be at the first group level, and all other tracks should be below it in the hierarchy, so that they are feeding into the master out.
kingtubby@swayzak wrote:
Tried to start a simple project but can’t seem to set the audio properly to get a sound with a VSTi.
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Mart
swayzakRight – beginning to get a feel for this now. As I said, takes a bit of getting used to after Cubase, FLS etc. ❗
Fiddled about with a few bars of recording tonight – even managed to map the output to my DX plg card on the plugstation & recorded some CC 74 filter sweeping 🙂
One that puzzled me – after letting the sequencer cursor run on for a bit after the recorded bars have finished (whilst playing back) I am trying to reset the cursor position back to the song beginning.
Pressed space bar twice (and num zero twice as well) – cursor just stops then starts again. Doesn’t return to the beginning of the song. Have I missed something ?
Also Zynewave, can I import Reg’s Cubase midi patch scripts for the sw1000, AN150, DX150, PF150 and VL150 ?
Will Podium “channelise” midi like Cubase does ?
e.g. in Cubase, you just select the midi track for focus and it doesn’t matter what midi channel you send to the track with, it is automatically set to the channel indicated by the sequencer track.
It’s just a bit of a culture shock having to keep changing the midi channels of my various midi controllers everytime I do stuff on a different tracks in the sequencer.
swayzak
ZynewavePressed space bar twice (and num zero twice as well) – cursor just stops then starts again. Doesn’t return to the beginning of the song. Have I missed something ?
Space bar toggles play/stop. Pressing num0 twice will return to start, but you need to engage num-lock to use the numeric keys. Otherwise the num-keys will be used for the standard cursor navigation.
can I import Reg’s Cubase midi patch scripts for the sw1000, AN150, DX150, PF150 and VL150 ?
You can import Cubase patch scripts. What are Reg’s scripts? I assume you have tried the SW1000 definition in the Podium library? You would only need scripts for the additional plug cards.
you just select the midi track for focus and it doesn’t matter what midi channel you send to the track with, it is automatically set to the channel indicated by the sequencer track
Podium can’t do this currently. This has been requested by others, and it is on the plan. For now, either use MIDI channel change on your controller to swap between your MIDI input mappings, or just move the MIDI input mapping by dragging it from track to track.
swayzakthanks
You can import Cubase patch scripts. What are Reg’s scripts? I assume you have tried the SW1000 definition in the Podium library? You would only need scripts for the additional plug cards.
Some bloke called Reg wrote scripts for sw1000 and some plg cards. I’ve imported them as Devices and they work fine !
Podium can’t do this currently. This has been requested by others, and it is on the plan. For now, either use MIDI channel change on your controller to swap between your MIDI input mappings, or just move the MIDI input mapping by dragging it from track to track.
Cool – look forward to it.
Incidently, I’ve noticed that scrolling in the browser of the project window (on left side) is sometimes a bit erratic – the scroll flickers / oscillates and the list flicks back to the top.
Also, several times when trying to place my Midi Yoke 1 as the midi input for a track, what is listed in the browser varies.
Sometimes it lists 2 x 16 channels for Yoke 1 (32 inputs), other times I just get a single Yoke 1 port. Not sure what this means – am I setting the Midi inputs/outputs up correctly ?
NB. Yoke 1 has 5 inputs combining into it (RME HDSP Midi In 1 & 2, sw1000 Midi In, MPU401 Midi In and Yoke 2). This enables me (in Cubase) to have all my midi inputs combined into a single “node” and Cubase then channelises it whatever midi track has focus)
ZynewaveSome bloke called Reg wrote scripts for sw1000 and some plg cards. I’ve imported them as Devices and they work fine !
Excellent. However, importing Cubase scripts will only create generic MIDI controller parameters. It will not create the huge amount of NRPN and SysEx parameters that the SW1000 supports. These 600-700 parameters are entered in the definition file found in the Podium library.
Incidently, I’ve noticed that scrolling in the browser of the project window (on left side) is sometimes a bit erratic – the scroll flickers / oscillates and the list flicks back to the top.
Are you referring to the track inspector listboxes inside the arrangement editor?
Sometimes it lists 2 x 16 channels for Yoke 1 (32 inputs), other times I just get a single Yoke 1 port. Not sure what this means – am I setting the Midi inputs/outputs up correctly ?
If you could email me your project file, I’ll check how you have set up your mappings.
swayzak@Zynewave wrote:
Are you referring to the track inspector listboxes inside the arrangement editor?
The browser for selecting “input”, “map”, “preset” and “parameter” for a track.
Update – yes, the list box
If you could email me your project file, I’ll check how you have set up your mappings.
Will do.
swayzakI also tried some sysex but couldn’t get Podium to pass the messages.
Actually is there a midi activity light in Podium because I couldn’t see it ? If not it would be very useful – even better if it differentiated between message type !
Anyway, I have the Yamaha standalone AN editor, which outputs sysex to Yoke 1 (and this is confirmed at the midi out monitor of Midi Ox). This should therefore presumably enter Podium and be passed to the plugstation ?
I tried to make sure that the Yoke 1 input is mapped to Yoke 4 output in Podium (the node which passes on all midi data to the plugstation via sw1000 midi out) and allowing sysex.
But nothing emerges from Podium….
kingtubby@swayzak wrote:
Actually is there a midi activity light in Podium because I couldn’t see it ? If not it would be very useful – even better if it differentiated between message type !
There is a rectangular indicator at the top-right next to the cpu meter, split diagonally – upper-left shows incoming midi, lower-right shows outgoing.
Mart
swayzak@kingtubby wrote:
@swayzak wrote:
Actually is there a midi activity light in Podium because I couldn’t see it ? If not it would be very useful – even better if it differentiated between message type !
There is a rectangular indicator at the top-right next to the cpu meter, split diagonally – upper-left shows incoming midi, lower-right shows outgoing.
Mart
Thanks – but I can’t even see the cpu meter 😳
Better check that out hadn’t I !
I’m quite excited about this software – just need to get a bit more comfortable with it before taking the plunge 🙂