kyrankyrankyrankyrankyranYour explanation made me think.
Jack has a transport control as well. If you set it to playback, the transport in podium starts functioning.
All the other apps I tried didn’t really need this. I don’t know why I didn’t try this before. I’m feeling kind of stupid here now. 😳
edit:
I tried beta 5 and it there is no change. Exactly the same behaviour as before, so you can put the check back in.
Hitting play in jack transport before you start working in podium fixes it though. I’ll put this in bold on my soon to be written FAQ 🙂
kyranWhat’s in the figure is the end of the selection in live.
kyranI’ve saved it as a txt file here:
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/464948/PodiumReport.txt
Let me know if you need something else.
kyran@Zynewave wrote:
What is compositing?
It’s the term for running your window manager with 3D effects.
Can you preview audio files in the Podium browser panel?
If so, can you open the sound file, enter the sound editor, and use the transport toolbar to play the sound file?
Previewing audio in the browser panel does not work when using the wineasio driver.
It would be nice to claim Wine compatibility, but I do not have access to a Linux machine, so it’s going to take considerably more than half an hour.
The problem is connected with the wineasio driver, the source of which is available here. I think this looks very much like any other windows asio driver. I doubt much linux knowledge is required, but it is hard to debug ofcourse when you don’t have a machine present. If you have a spare machine try out a livedisk of ubuntu (in any of it’s variants) or do a wubi install: it installs ubuntu as an application in windows. No repartitioning needed, and you can just as easily remove it again later on. You can do a wubi install from the livedisc.
I’m willing to put in some effort here, so just let me know if you need something.
kyranSorry for the excessive posting, but I kind of narrowed down the problem.
Podium works perfect in wine when you use directsound. (it has some glitches when compositing is on, but those go away when you use crossover office, or switch off compositing). Unfortunately you have serious latency problems with directsound (just like you’d expect)
The problem lies with the wineasio driver. Podium seems to be able to access it (I can play vsti instruments with low latency), but can’t start the transport. I really think this is just a small issue, but I don’t have the experience to figure out what goes wrong in the code. The wineasio driver works perfectly with reaper and ext2.
Maybe if Fritz could spare half an hour looking at this and then put a big “wine compatible” logo on his frontpage. I’ll happily make convenience scripts to install and configure linux boxes and update the wiki etc.
kyranI didn’t buy these.
I like timeless (bit of a delay freak), but I’ve got lot’s of options as is (mfm2, uhbik-D, dubstation, TAL-dub, …)
Volcano looks nice, but I didn’t really find a use for it in my setup, the demo just didn’t click
Twin 2 is extremely nice, but I could replicate most presets with zebra 2 with little effort and I find zebra 2 easier to program.
Ofcourse if you were in the market for this sort of stuff, then you’ll be in heaven right now 🙂
It’s a really great time to be starting out: all these great packages for next to no money (that includes podium which dropped it’s price by 50% too)
kyranJust on a side note: I installed podium using wine this week and it works sort of: the installation goes fluid, the interface looks like it should. All folders are created, it finds and scans my plugins, I can make an arrangement, I can add vstplugins send midi to them play notes.
The only two things that don’t work are preview in the browser and getting the transport to work, (I guess those problems are related) which unfortunately makes podium currently unusable as a sequencer under wine.
This was with the latest version 2.18
edit: I installed 2.08 and this one doesn’t load because a shared library cannot be found: MSVCP60.dll so using the new compiler really helped in this department 😀
kyranThe best reason is added security: there’s no need for a virusscanner bogging down the performance of your computer. The security model is imo also better than the one on windows.
I personally like the workflow better than windows or osx (which really didn’t connect with me), but that’s personal.
Also: yes it’s cool to get stuff like office suites for free, but as you remarked, those programs are also available for windows and osx most of the time. A lot of people say they want to switch, but don’t just because they can’t run ms office or any other windows program. (which is why wine exist, it runs quite a lot of windows programs)
Basically just try the live disk of your distribution of choice (I’d go for any ubuntu or kubuntu for office type work, and 64studio for audio) and see if you like it. If it doesn’t offer anything for you, then there is no reason to change.
kyranThe thing is that this sort of reasoning is a selffullfilling prophecy: there are not much software tools available, because no one uses Linux for audio. And no one uses Linux for audio because the tools aren’t available.
It’s the same with hardware support. No manufacturer supports linux and makes drivers for it. In this case the community filled in the gap. I have yet to find a modern desktop system that is not supported out of the box, but still. (actually this makes the user experience better, because you just plug it in and it works, no messing about with getting the latest drivers from ten different sites)
I could go on, but I won’t. You probably all think I’m a zealous fanboy anyway by now. I just feel that Linux is technically ready, what it misses is positive marketing and an increased user base to get other devs to notice and support it.
btw: I think people are willing to pay for music production apps on linux. There are no really good foss alternatives out there anyway.
btw2: this also doesn’t mean I think Fritz should drop all he’s doing and port to linux. I just hope that he gives it five minutes of thought. If will most likely take more effort than it’s worth from his perspective, but it never hurts to ask. Plus if you code with the idea that it will be ported at one point, it will greatly reduce the effort in the future. So if he once decides to port to mac, he could probably make it so that a linux port is a simple addition (he’d have to move away from all windows specific libs and go for a generic platform anyway)
kyran@koolkeys wrote:
I know that many people will disagree with my above statements
Yes they will, including me. My experience tells me otherwise. I fix computers for a lot of people, and I stopped installing windows a year ago. I just put everyone who needs a desktop solution on kubuntu now. They have all been very impressed and find their way around in no time.
Now I’m going to generalise a bit, but mostly people who are not computer savy don’t change because they’re afraid their computer is going to explode. Computer experts saying modern free desktop environments are not user friendly typically have a problem with adapting to change, they complain because things don’t work they’re used to. Which is something I can understand: if you’ve used windows for over 10 years and know all shortcuts by heart, you’re going to be a lot faster with it than with any other OS.
This will probably not convince you. You have made up your mind that it’s not ready for you, and that’s fine. That’s why choice is so important.
It is ready for a whole lot of other people however.
kyran@Rottweiler wrote:
Well, unfortunately ive spent some serious time making noise again (which i shouldnt since i have a lot of work).
After some hours of testing, i think podiums weakest link is the lack of advanced routing… the hierarchic mixing engine looks clever, but i cant really make parallel inserts?? Like this…
---- Distortion A
Synth ---- Distortion B --- Compressor
/
---- Distortion C /
| | |
| (Send Reverb)
|
(Dist A, B, C -> ) Reverb
Am i too used to modularity? Can it be done somehow without getting a headache?
You could create a send device for each distortion, put each of them on 100%. Make all the returns children of the compressor track. Put a mute plugin on the synth track and then group all the returns and the synthtrack to keep your working space neat and tidy.
It’s a bit elaborate, but it can be done.
Alternatively: you can insert ext1.4 as an fx. Or you can use ohmicide for this particular case.