Topic: Midi Maps

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  • #2549
    chase
    Participant

    Hi –
    Quick Question – is there an instruction guide or tut on how to make our own midi maps for Keyboard controlers in Podium?

    I have to do this with another app so i figure that’s probably what i’llend up having to do in Podium.

    thanx

    #20459
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    What do you want to mean with that? Can you detail me an example about what you want to achieve? I ask this because the term “midi map” sounds a little confusing for me

    #20468
    chase
    Participant

    @LiquidProj3ct wrote:

    What do you want to mean with that? Can you detail me an example about what you want to achieve? I ask this because the term “midi map” sounds a little confusing for me

    To link a Keyboard controler – software usaually lists what keyboards they support. The support is via a midi map
    – if the app doesn’t have one – until they do usually you can make one yourself for what ever midi keyboard you have.

    if you know how that is for that app.. that is the kicker.

    So, I know how to make one for Reason don’t know how to make one for Podium… do you? and would you mind sharing the knowledge if you do?

    BTW – LiquidProj3ct – I was just reading another thread you started requesting requests for tuts on Podium. Still taking requests?

    I haven’t seen your video tuts sorry – my online time is somewhat limited so i down them and watch any i find offline.

    But – do you happen to have a tut on Surround sound mixing and 3D sound for stereo and Surround Sound?

    Panning techiques for both etc etc.
    I read what you stated about GSnap for live – thanks for the tip.
    I take you would know.

    I always have a ton of questions and my brain is like a sponge wanting more knowledge in all areas. Including Podium as its lookingmore and more like I’m going to get the full version – very soon i hope.

    Please add your video tut home page link so i can check them out next time i’m up online if you don’t mind
    – if you reply of course. ;0)

    chase

    Edit: I just checked the Reason Manual and will post a link to it – it has instructions for how to do this and you may understand what i mean better.

    They also call it a remote midi map

    aaah here’s the link to a zip of their manual – Reason v5 Operations Manual

    Go to the last pages – Creating your own remote midi map I think it is called. (memory faded fast on the heading title lolI’ve got twenty things going on right this second)

    let me know if you then know what i mean and how to do it for Podium.

    #20469
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    To link a Keyboard controler – software usaually lists what keyboards they support. The support is via a midi map
    – if the app doesn’t have one – until they do usually you can make one yourself for what ever midi keyboard you have.

    If you want control Podium interface with MIDI messages, you cannot in the most of cases. You could control the mixer if your midi controller support mackie emulation. ATM only play and stop button are mapped.

    You can, however, control plugins if they’ve MIDI learn.

    BTW – LiquidProj3ct – I was just reading another thread you started requesting requests for tuts on Podium. Still taking requests?

    Yes, but you should expect some delay, I’m very busy programming a vst plugin.

    But – do you happen to have a tut on Surround sound mixing and 3D sound for stereo and Surround Sound?

    I don’t own any sound card that support more than two outputs. However it shouldn’t be difficult. Just open your audio output device properties and choose the outputs in the Mixer Output field. Also you should configure the other devices to route them to the desired output. I could try to do a video only with two channels and routing different devices to them.

    Take a look to the GSnap and Plugins serie videos. If you cannot wonder how to use more than two outputs, just let me know.

    You can see my videos here: http://www.youtube.com/liquidproj3ct

    best regards[/quote]

    #20470
    chase
    Participant

    Hey LiquidProj3ct – that was quick.

    If you want control Podium interface with MIDI messages, you cannot in the most of cases. You could control the mixer if your midi controller support mackie emulation. ATM only play and stop button are mapped.

    You can, however, control plugins if they’ve MIDI learn.

    hmmm, I see…

    This is one of the keyboards I have – E-MU X- Board 25

    and what I am refering to creating a map for, for use with Podium…

    The pitch bend links straight up – I was wanting to link up the 16 controlers – which with vsts as you mentioned i can do.

    But from what you are saying i can’t link one or map one of the 16 to say on of the pans or volume on a track in the mixer in Podium currently…
    Am I understanding what you’re this correctly?

    Thanx for your link btw – I’ll check out your tuts.

    No surround card – use yoru onboard – your onboard has 5.1 or 7.1 doesn’t it – onboard the MB i mean… be a pain to take out your Stereo Card but – you could experiment with surround if you have it onboard.
    and make a tut on it… ;0)

    Just a thought mind you.

    and again – thanks for the quick reply

    #20476
    LiquidProj3ct
    Participant

    this reply was slower πŸ™‚ I’m extremately busy

    Pitch bend sends CC0, and the most of the vst synths have pitch bend and modulation wheel pre-mapped.

    EmuX Board 25 doesn’t support mackie emulation, so you cannot link your controller to volume/pan/mute/solo controls.

    My onboard is just an stereo card. However i can route 16 audio channels to these two outputs. I try to do the tutorial the next week. I’ll notify you here πŸ™‚

    #20487
    chase
    Participant

    Hey Thanx LiquidProj3ct

    – No worries about the response time as I wasn’t back online till today myself.

    Looking forward to seeing your new tutorial – and would love to hear about this new vst your working on when you have time.

    Zynewave has mentioned he is going to be working on a new vst as well for Surround sound – a leveler / panner i believe. Which for me – once i pick up the full version will be a huge welcome.

    I tried some of AcousticMod vst for surround and – a couple crashed Podium when attempting to remove them from the track… so as mentioned I’m looking forward to seeing what Zynewave comes up with in this area.

    Since you deal with Stereo – as far as VST’s go – what do you recomend for Stereo 3D? (That is light on the cpu consumption yet gives professional sound quality and abilities that is.)

    Heading over to check out what you have up for tuts now as well. Have to down load them and check them out off line but will for sure.

    and thanx again LiquidProj3ct for the replies.

    #20493
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @chase wrote:

    Zynewave has mentioned he is going to be working on a new vst as well for Surround sound – a leveler / panner i believe. Which for me – once i pick up the full version will be a huge welcome.

    Um, not to shatter your hopes, but this is unfortunately going to be very low priority, so I honestly don’t think we can expect a Zynewave surround tool any time soon… (though I’d like to see one as well) πŸ™

    As far as I know, the only way to get a 3D-sounding recording is by using special microphone placement techniques (or even recording with microphones inside a plastic head’s ears). As for plug-ins, I only know of this plug-in by some french company, and a (hopefully) soon-to-be-released one by Tom Ammermann, who does a lot of surround and headphone surround mixes for films – I’m looking forward to that myself.

    I don’t know of any technique that works for creating a surround image on stereo speakers, but if you find one, I’d be interested to hear about it!

    #20502
    chase
    Participant

    thcilnnahoj said:

    …recording with microphones inside a plastic head’s ears).

    lol… for some reason – i just can’t see many singers using that mic set up.

    but can you imagine the look on there faces if you did set up a mike system like that – then again – might make for a good prop as aopposed tot he standard mic and stand. (Sorry had to share that thought as i still have weird visions about this running through my head with some of the major acts of today…)

    I thought for sure there were other 3D stereo vst out there – i remember seeing something some where.

    I take a look around again – it’s called 3D something something so i know i did.

    Sad to hear about the priority of that leveler vst… my fingers are still crossed though.

    I’ll look into that plugin you mention H3D is the name – (I’m on the page in another tab)

    Wow they did do that – it’s called Dummy Head Recording (link is to the wiki page on it)

    I’ll get back to you on that plug in i ran into – haven’t found it while sitting here but will look further.

    thcilnnahoj – Do you know of a good Leveler /Panner for 7.1 surround – a vst that will work with Podium?

    thanx

    #20506
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @chase wrote:

    thcilnnahoj said:

    …recording with microphones inside a plastic head’s ears).

    lol… for some reason – i just can’t see many singers using that mic set up.

    but can you imagine the look on there faces if you did set up a mike system like that – then again – might make for a good prop as aopposed tot he standard mic and stand. (Sorry had to share that thought as i still have weird visions about this running through my head with some of the major acts of today…)

    […]

    Wow they did do that – it’s called Dummy Head Recording (link is to the wiki page on it)

    Well, the use of this ‘dummy head’ is to create a spatial image of the room and the musicians in it for the listener. So the head (and ears) is the listener’s – thus the singer wouldn’t be the one wearing the microphones usually. πŸ˜‰ I guess you read the article, though, so you already know how it works.

    thcilnnahoj – Do you know of a good Leveler /Panner for 7.1 surround – a vst that will work with Podium?

    No, unfortunately, besides the ones by AcousMod (which you already tried) – they’re made with SynthEdit, so I guess the performance and stability is not up to par.
    This is just an innocent guess, but I assume a simple multi-channel leveler plug-in would be easy to write for someone experienced (it wouldn’t even need a GUI). My knowledge of programming and DSP is very limited, otherwise I’d give it a try myself. C/C++ still seems totally alien to me compared to other languages… πŸ™

    I actually don’t do surround mixing, but like you, I’m very interested in it and hope to get a full speaker setup later this year. I’m also eager to hear more of what can be achieved with regards to headphone surround sound.
    It seems to me that this is a very niche segment of the plug-in market so far, though. Film sound mixers probably use programs like Nuendo or Pyramix, which have integrated surround tools – I guess those are sufficient.

    #20510
    chase
    Participant

    Hey thcilnnahog

    Hope all is well with you and yours…

    Well, the use of this ‘dummy head’ is to create a spatial image of the room and the musicians in it for the listener. So the head (and ears) is the listener’s – thus the singer wouldn’t be the one wearing the microphones usually

    Well my weird thoughts – since i use to do roadie work were allong the lines of doing a mic set up with a buch of these dummy heads and having the singer sing into them – can you imagine Christine Agulara or some one else famous not knowing – walking up on stage durring a concert seeing these in place of the usual mics and stage crew says – whats the problem – go ahead – sing.

    Well it was funner going threw my head as a thought
    – doesn’t print up as good.

    But then it gave me another thought of doing some 3d with these things as mic stand “heads” and were it goes from there i don’t know… just weird artist visions I get at times I guess.

    No, unfortunately, besides the ones by AcousMod (which you already tried) – they’re made with SynthEdit, so I guess the performance and stability is not up to par.

    Possible – though i heard SythEdit updated to a new version Syth 2 and i heard some good reviews on it – but I don’t know for sure.

    This is just an innocent guess, but I assume a simple multi-channel leveler plug-in would be easy to write for someone experienced (it wouldn’t even need a GUI). My knowledge of programming and DSP is very limited, otherwise I’d give it a try myself. C/C++ still seems totally alien to me compared to other languages…

    I was thinking the same thing – I might just make one myself – but this morning actually in thinking this same thought – I opened up Podium and yah know Fritz did such a good job on the lay out and all…

    And i thought – gosh if it were a vst – that would put it after the meters and such – not pre – and were i’d want it is pre – or incorporated into the mixer track slot itself – like it should be.

    Then i thought – why don’t i see if Fritz will sell me Podium – I mean really sell me Podium – lock stock and barrel.

    He stated he’s been busy on other things for months –
    Doesn’t make money with it
    Doesn’t have time for it anymore…

    I guess he is busy with a new job – a couple hot mommas keeping him up all hours of the night and of course and who could blame him – the hobby app gets set aside… gathers dust…

    Like a model airplane that one starts but thing happen – the wife the kids – the girlfriend the dog – the cat – maybe a fish tank too… take presidence over finishing or putting those new engines or adding a new part to the model plane.

    No matter how much you want to work on it – it always gets a – I’ll do it next week when i have more time – the intent the best but the time and what ever else – just takes too much attention – so it never gets done.

    So… what do you say Fritz – How much for Podium – you can keep the name – I’ll of course maintain your credit as the original developer.
    And – I’ll take on the hobby call it something else
    – a half built model plane so to speak… and see what i can do how far i can take it…

    I know i added some humour in their but seriously
    – I know it’s your baby – you started it did a great job but by your own words and though your intent is best you just don’t have time to give it that it deserves anymore.
    – your time for other things is more important and need your attention now.
    I completley understand – it’s not a bad thing but,

    I’d really like to take on Podium – see what i can do with it

    So be nice – How much for the source code and rights to it?

    I’m not a company – not rich
    just a person with an interest and willingness to try.
    And hope i would do you and Podium proud and take it to new heights.
    Don’t you want that for your baby…
    Then set it free… to grow and flurish.
    At a small price of course – but
    its a real offer… think about it… ;0) πŸ˜€

    #20522
    chase
    Participant

    Well – i see Frits did an update… totally cool…

    But… didn’t say how much for the source code…. hmmmm?

    Anyhow – thcilnnahoj

    Found a Suround plugin you may like – I’ll upload it next time I’m online.

    Frits – how does Podium Process sound – Like Cubase or Nuendo or more like Premier?

    I ask because the above mentioned plugin comes in two versions –
    One for Cubase and Nuendo and one for Premier.

    So whcih would we use for Poduim? – The one meant for Cubase/Nuendo was my guess…?

    #20525
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @chase wrote:

    Well – i see Frits did an update… totally cool…

    But… didn’t say how much for the source code…. hmmmm?

    Sorry, I thought you were joking. Are you an experienced software developer? Are you rich?

    Let me know how much you think 20 years of work is worth. πŸ˜‰

    Frits – how does Podium Process sound – Like Cubase or Nuendo or more like Premier?

    I ask because the above mentioned plugin comes in two versions –
    One for Cubase and Nuendo and one for Premier.

    So whcih would we use for Poduim? – The one meant for Cubase/Nuendo was my guess…?

    Cubase/Nuendo would be my guess too.

    #20530
    chase
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @chase wrote:

    Well – i see Frits did an update… totally cool…

    But… didn’t say how much for the source code…. hmmmm?

    Sorry, I thought you were joking. Are you an experienced software developer? Are you rich?

    Let me know how much you think 20 years of work is worth. πŸ˜‰

    Frits

    lol – Yupe I was serious
    and nope – already stated I wasn’t rich…

    Experienced programmer well now to get right down to it one could consider experience as a relative term – like in the theory of relativity that is…

    Plus i am willing to let you refer to me as Grasshopper if that helps in your decision – heck i could even call you DJ Master Fritz if you like?

    What is 20 years worth… hmmm, in human years dog years or hamster years… ;0)

    Specifics Frits – gotta be specific when we’re talking worth now. lol

    Hey I was just figuring that since you started this as a Colege project –
    and there are those of us willing to try
    and I imaging that if you were handed Podium as it is now as a base to start with – imagine then how far it would be now
    – even in hamster years.

    Let be practical here – you went to college to build a better base for us now right?
    Like we will do for the next group of people – and if we all leave a base to start with – in 20 hamster years – the next group can make it even better.
    Surpassing even our wildest dreams and asperations.

    that is the whole point of alll this right – other wise – what the heck are we doing here but sucking up the air.

    #20533
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    I plan to continue working on Podium for many years. I do think that my 20 years of coding represent a significant value, so I don’t intend to release the Podium source code to public domain. I’m not that generous.

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