rinxai.
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
Beta 4 is up:
The only problem is that it becomes more difficult to open/close the panels by clicking the panel headers, because the clicked panel slides away from the mouse. Difficult to explain, but please try it and voice your opinion.
You sound like you are expecting some negative feedback. 🙂
Personally I cannot see what you are concerned about. Really. The sliding motion is fine IMO. After clicking about and trying it out at length…I cannot see what might be “more difficult to open/close”.
Clicking the panel headers results in a nice clean slide to make way for the panel I want to see. No problems here at all. Works as expected. Very nice, very useful and the track panel is very logically placed now.
Of course that is just my opinon.
But even if others disagreed…enabling dragging of panels (highly desirable I must say) would solve that problem, but I have no problems with the position of the panels (much more logical now) or how they slide in Beta 4.
HTH
estwinghi Frits
I think this has a kind of yo-yo effect when moving between track-device-preset etc
it seems that re-clicking “track” now has a different result.
why dont they collapse in-situ instead of falling to the bottom ?
mart
Zynewave@estwing wrote:
hi Frits
I think this has a kind of yo-yo effect when moving between track-device-preset etc
it seems that re-clicking “track” now has a different result.
why dont they collapse in-situ instead of falling to the bottom ?
mart
That’s exactly what bothered me as well. I tried it this way because I wanted the Track panel to appear when you closed any of the other panels. With the old panel behaviour the bottom panel (now Input) would open when you closed one of the other panels. But I think this is a better solution than the panel behaviour in beta4. Beta5 is now uploaded with the old panel behaviour, but still with the input and track panels swapped.
Also in beta5 are two new commands in the preset menus: “Save Program File” and “Save Bank File”.
estwingHi Frits
100% agreement here
and the new commands ,yes.
mart
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
@estwing wrote:
hi Frits
I think this has a kind of yo-yo effect when moving between track-device-preset etc
it seems that re-clicking “track” now has a different result.
why dont they collapse in-situ instead of falling to the bottom ?
martThat’s exactly what bothered me as well. I tried it this way because I wanted the Track panel to appear when you closed any of the other panels. With the old panel behaviour the bottom panel (now Input) would open when you closed one of the other panels. But I think this is a better solution than the panel behaviour in beta4. Beta5 is now uploaded with the old panel behaviour, but still with the input and track panels swapped.
Also in beta5 are two new commands in the preset menus: “Save Program File” and “Save Bank File”.
Ok…I think I see what you and estwing meant. I still think beta 4 was fine but…I can see why beta 5’s panel behaviour is actually better.
In beta 4 AFAICT if you click on a panel header (Track Panel header for example) other panels below it will slide down but you have to then move down to the track panel you want, and click on that to bring it back up again. In B5 one click drops the panels below it…another click on the same panel brings the panels below it back up again. Definitely better…
…if I have understood your changes correctly that is. 😛
Zynewave@estwing wrote:
I too have been a bit dismayed by some of the changes to a UI i was very comfortable with.
I’ve been trying to get to like compact mode (too much horizontal confusion which can blur the distinction between tracks) with the possibility of losing expanded mode at some time.
Please try the new beta6. I’ve added four new options to the tracks region properties dialog:
“Show track color bar at right edge of header”
“Show pan and gain sliders instead of dials”
“Show effect chain on header”
“Set minimum track height to fit contents”.
If you disable these options you end up with a header layout that is very close to the old expanded mode.
estwinghi Frits,
thanks for these additions!
I must say I’m pretty happy using compact mode now(increace/decreace group level seems to be the only missing possibility) and the benefits it will bring for new users are obvious.
I know not everyone appreciated the challenge of trying Podium for the first time and the recent work you have done has taken it towards being a foolproof host, I keep checking that “registered user” number each time I log on! as new users benefit us all.
thanks mart
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
Please try the new beta6. I’ve added four new options to the tracks region properties dialog:
“Show track color bar at right edge of header”
“Show pan and gain sliders instead of dials”
“Show effect chain on header”
“Set minimum track height to fit contents”.If you disable these options you end up with a header layout that is very close to the old expanded mode.
That is a clever approach. That might very well be the way to bring in Expanded modes features into Compact mode without affecting Compact modes ease of use. Nice.
I don’t think the Tracks region is too difficult to find for an advanced Podium user either but I guess time will tell.
You mentioned possibly doing away with the expanded view, but wanted to spend more time making compact mode more complete before doing so.
I am surprised you have not made mention of other extremely useful features like the one’s mentioned here…
Surely those kind of features are essential to “complete” track level features?
I recently completed a track in 1.95 the overall experence was very good but…there were three issues I kept running into…
1.Lack of more advanced track features like those mentioned on the “Enhanced meters and mixing thread”
RMS meters, Trim e.t.c standard features when mixing. Really. I kept reaching for FreeG every time.
2.Drag and drop of FX tracks within a Track chain panel in Compact mode.
3. Automapping.
Of course recent changes are very welcome and make using Podium even easier (in many ways) but as you are clearly working on refining the Inspector and other track elements I think this is a great opportunity to add just a few more track related features to reallly take the mixing process at track level (and/or the mixer) to a far more advanced professional level.
I understand and admire your focus on the current Compact mode, but why not add those “Free G” type of features (standard in some hosts) to Podium, now that you are focusing and making plenty of changes in that area?
musicmakerukI’m not too comfortable with the detached track inspector. It seems too “global” if you get what I mean. It seems it has more to do with the entire project rather than pertaining to the particular ‘take’ you are working on. I think moving it back to an internal sliding column would be better as surely it would still have the same benefits?
ZynewaveI understand and admire your focus on the current Compact mode, but why not add those “Free G” type of features (standard in some hosts) to Podium, now that you are focusing and making plenty of changes in that area?
Because it will take time to implement those new features. What I’m doing this time around is to make all existing functionality found in expanded mode available in compact mode (track templates and drag-reordering effect tracks comes to mind).
Zynewave@blackstar wrote:
I’m not too comfortable with the detached track inspector. It seems too “global” if you get what I mean. It seems it has more to do with the entire project rather than pertaining to the particular ‘take’ you are working on. I think moving it back to an internal sliding column would be better as surely it would still have the same benefits?
I understand what you mean by “too global”. I’ve been thinking about ways to embed it at the left edge of the arrangement editor page, but I have not found a layout that blended well with the top page tabs. Using the “Inspector” tab at the top to hide/show the inspector has the benefit that the hidden inspector does not occupy the space used by the sliding cover in the old embedded inspector. Another reason why I chose the separate page layout, is that I intend to add a similar top toolbar to the “List” page at the right edge. This toolbar will have controls for setting preview level etc.
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
I understand and admire your focus on the current Compact mode, but why not add those “Free G” type of features (standard in some hosts) to Podium, now that you are focusing and making plenty of changes in that area?
Because it will take time to implement those new features. What I’m doing this time around is to make all existing functionality found in expanded mode available in compact mode (track templates and drag-reordering effect tracks comes to mind).
I would also add the absence of global SMR buttons as a consistently problematic issue I faced. As this was another persistent problem when mixing in 1.95 and has been since I first started using Podium years ago.
Constantly scrolling up and down a busy arrangement just to deactivate a Solo button to hear the rest of a mix is a needless waste of time and is an expected feature after all this time IMO. Just giving some user feedback here.
In any case thanks for your clarification. I understand that you as a developer have your own development goals and priorities for Podium that you must maintain your focus on. Hopefully at some point in future the features I suggested can be integrated into Podium to provide a much better overall user experience.
ZynewaveConstantly scrolling up and down a busy arrangement just to deactivate a Solo button to hear the rest of a mix is a needless waste of time
You can Shift+Click the solo/mute buttons or press Shift+S/M. This will toggle solo/mute on the track and reset solo/mute on all other tracks. So if your current track is not soloed you would press Solo and then Shift+Solo to clear all soloed tracks.
rinxai@Zynewave wrote:
You can Shift+Click the solo/mute buttons or press Shift+S/M. This will toggle solo/mute on the track and reset solo/mute on all other tracks. So if your current track is not soloed you would press Solo and then Shift+Solo to clear all soloed tracks.
Thanks, this works well!
I wondering whether there is an updated list of all such keyboard/mouse functionalities and operations. Perhaps a stickied post comprehensively listing current keyboard shortcuts, combined mouse ops, changes, options, etc. Just a thought.
Conquistador@Zynewave wrote:
You can Shift+Click the solo/mute buttons or press Shift+S/M. This will toggle solo/mute on the track and reset solo/mute on all other tracks. So if your current track is not soloed you would press Solo and then Shift+Solo to clear all soloed tracks.
Those KB/S do work thanks, but I was referring to global SMR buttons above the tracks region instead or in the GP header area. I still think that is a good idea.
@rinxai wrote:
I wondering whether there is an updated list of all such keyboard/mouse functionalities and operations. Perhaps a stickied post comprehensively listing current keyboard shortcuts, combined mouse ops, changes, options, etc. Just a thought.
Piltdown Man recently put a Keyboard Shortcut Reference together. Updating a list of this nature is probably a bit of a moving target because of continued development of Podium, of course but Piltdown Man seems open to feedback on it so perhaps he might even be happy to keep it updated as well.
This is the thread he started for it.
Of course we still have the keyboard shortcut list in the Podium Guidebut as I very rarely use Keyboard shortcuts, I don’t know how up to date it is.
A fully updated sticky list would be useful or if the current list in the Podium guide could be (maybe it already is) fully updated.