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@Zynewave wrote:

Hi Peter,

Currently I have no plans of supporting more than one plugin per track.

Hi Frits,

Do you still really have “no plans” of supporting more than one plugin per track? I think it is a major feature. I like the current set up for instance as it has it’s strengths, (having FX on separate tracks) but it can all too easily become very tedious managing up to five times as many (or even more) tracks in Podium than a user would in just about any other host! 🙁

Have you really closed the door on this completely?

This is one of the key features I had been waiting for, since I bought Podium over a year ago. 🙁

I suspect many people who do not ‘get’ the way Podium does things at the demo stage, will be very unlikely to take the time to post here and discuss it. They will likely just move on to the next option.

I cannot remember where, but I think you said something about some sort of plugin chainer or rack that would do away with the need to have each FX on it’s own track. Is this still under consideration? Sorry if it was someone else who said it. 😉

I just did a search on the forum for “Chainer” and this was one of the threads that popped up.

I could potentially use Phrazor or Energy XT but I think using either of them as an FX rack in Podium might stop Podium from delay compensating for FX hosted within them while used as an insert in Podium. Do you know if that is correct?

I would always prefer your own creations anyway as the integration of the zplugs into Podium is first class. Multiple FX on a single track along with basic notation, track numbers, meter db values on track meters and faders on mixer strips are pretty much all I am waiting for now. 😉 There are others but if I had to choose I would gladly let them all go for these five FR’s.

Rewire is not really important to me at all but for new users absolutely…I am certain many potential new users stopped at the door when they realised thier copy of Reason, Live, ACID or P5 would not work with Podium despite the existing workarounds.

Now that the superb fades and crossfades are in place (a very advanced implementation, I must say with the graphical clip changes on the way), FX usage with track levels that are as low as other hosts is easily my top request for Podium now.

After using Podium heavily this really has risen to the top of my list. Even with the options in place to hide a track lane. Even that has to be done for each and every track as there is no hide all track lanes option to hide track lanes for several FX tracks in one click.

Sometimes only extended usage of a product over months can uncover workflow issues.

If you are still open to suggestions in this area…hopefully! :)…

…then here are some ideas….

1. I think some sort of track insert, (module/holder/container/chainer) that can host FX would immediately bring track levels to the same number as other hosts when using FX.

2. Chainer Panel. Perhaps this could be a new panel in the inspector that allows a user to fully manage, (add, remove rearrange the order of…) FX from the track Inspector.

A graphical representation of the chain of FX could appear on the track being processed, giving the number of FX being used. So if any FX are in use then the FX icon will be visible with the number of FX in use shown in brackets next to it, so if 5 are being used FX(5)will be visible on a track….3 in use FX(3)

Clicking on the name of the FX you want to edit (from the Chainer panel) immediately updates the inspector with all the information for that plug (parameters, presets, mapping) just as it does now when clicking on an FX on a track or an Instrument.

3. Well I was going to suggest expanding the current limit of FX available on a track but I am not sure where you stand on that at the moment base on your comments in your response to Peter although that was some time ago.

Allowing FX to be used on the same track (not only hiding tracks on the same level) is the way I would prefer to work. I would still like the options for FX tracks we have now but I certainly would not want to *only* work this way as it is definitely not my first choice.

It’s just too many tracks to manage which slows down mixing considerably. 🙁

FX (1,3 or 6 for instance) used on one track instead of the current one per track option along with some form of basic notation, track numbers, meter db values on track meters and faders on mixer strips would pretty much eliminate the need for me to use any other Audio + Midi host out there for music production.

@Zynewave wrote:

After a days work: The waveform shown on sound events are now scaled according to the event gain and fade in/out time settings. Available in release 1.76.

➡ 😀

I think I’ll wait with the support for customizable fade curve defaults. Instead I could easily add a few fixed defaults that can be accessed by right-clicking the fade in/out handles on the event.

Yes thats fine I like that idea. 😉

What other curve defaults would you find useful?

I think acousmod has answered that question better than me 🙂

Wow…glad to see a solution to this one. I had been following it closely but from a safe distance 😆

As usual a solution is found…keep it up Frits! 8)

@acousmod wrote:

And like Conquistador could say (?) “it is the open door to a right click option for direct editing in another app”. Later…

Err yes I suppose I could say that 😆

I’ve added a “Release drivers when Podium does not have focus” option in the Preferences dialog. I decided against the “driver release on power-off” option, because that would mean you could not play or preview sounds in the sound editor unless an arrangement was activated. Appearing in release 1.76.

Well with a response like that Frits, I think anyone reading this thread can see why smilies are frequently used in posts on this forum! 🙂 Thanks! 🙂

At the end of the day how many features does one need to professionally produce music? Podium has long ago gone past that point but certain types of highly useful tools and features are still found elsewhere and your implementation of “Release drivers when Podium does not have focus” option will now ease the process of working with those packages while using Podium. 8)

So, if it is not too hard to add an option to “release the audio driver when the engine is turned off” I will be very grateful…
Thanks !

I have to agree with acousmod which means I owe you an apology as well Frtis 😆

Seriously though it may be time now to try and allow some sort of communication or relationship between Podium and certain types of applications.

Ok Rewire is on the way, but until then? Streamboy is a clever option for now (I have streamed audio from Project 5 to Podium successfully ) but still I think it is maybe time to look at how Podium users can work with features built into Podium that cater for other applications.

Please Frits give serious consideration to at least considering the “release the audio driver when the engine is turned off” option as one of your next steps for audio features.

While it is not the same as right clicking on a clip and selecting a drop down menu of existing audio editors to choose from, to work on that clip, it will at least allow Podium to co-exist with other appplications much better. 😉

Just being frank here…Podium cannot do everything. It would be totally silly of any of us to expect Podium to already have the tools that are available in dedicated editors like Soundforge (which I also have). I am sure eveyone here agrees with me, especially as you are only one person Frits who has done so remarkably well already!

It is also unrealistic to stop using more advanced tools elsewhere just because they are not available in Podium. 😉

So how do we solve this problem? Trying little by little to bridge the gap between Podium and other applications that have features it simply does not have yet. Lets face it Frits we cannot possibly expect you to take on Steinberg or Cakewalk on the feature front.

They will almost always be ahead on features…they have bigger development budgets and as a result more developers available to produce more features every year than any single developer could handle inlcuding you with Podium. Being realistic here.

Where Podium differs from many products on offer at the moment IMO is the hierarchic approach, surprisingly very high levels of stability and reliablity. These are priceless attributes in the current market. 8)

You can just get work done smoothly, quickly and reliably *every time*. Quick fixes also guarantee a Podium user is never left for weeks or months without a solution to any bug found. 8)

Pretty much all of the work on Podium has been on improving it’s ‘internal’ features, I totally agree with that decision but perhaps as Podium is now mature in many areas, it may be time to look beyond internal features and make it more user friendly with other applications. 😉

Thanks Frits! A nice list of additions! 😀

This should simplify/remove some of the steps in your tutorial.

Actually as you are currently working on this I thought I might as well ask a few questions about it and share some thoughts…

You said “simplify some steps”

Does this mean any of the following…?

1. Editing of drum names / unwanted notes can now be done in the Preset panel in the Inspector?

and /or

2. A drum template can be saved and used in any other Project?

I am just asking now, to try and possibly discuss a few changes / suggestions (if you are happy with them) as you are currently working on this area of Podium. 😉