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@swindus wrote:

@ronin wrote:

I guess swindus is talking about the fader handler. say we have an empty track and we add one effect. the small box-switch appears and we can switch between pre/post. the fader handler should now update its position accordingly to the signal path position. example: set pre fader to -10db and post to 0db. if you switch between pre/post the fader(/pan?) doesn’t update.

Yes, this is what i mean. Just unhide all tracks of a chain in the mixer and move a fader. All faders of all tracks in a chain are linked.

I think this must be a misunderstanding. There is only one fader on the track. Moving the fader position moves the fader (i.e. gain and pan settings) from one track to another track in the chain. There aren’t separate settings for gain and pan on each effect track. Please explain why you would want it to behave differently.

I still need to fix some bugs, and do thorough testing before the 2.04 release is ready. It may be a few more days. For those that are eager to try the new features, the 2.04 beta1 is now available in the VIP lounge.

Here are the changes so far:

• The mixer can now show K-System style RMS meters. The arrangement properties dialog has two new settings that control the RMS meter behaviour: “RMS meter scale” has options for K-12, K-14 or K-20. “RMS meter window” defines the response of the RMS meters.

• Each track can be configured to show peak and/or RMS meter. Clicking the meter on any mixer strip will toggle RMS on/off. The meter options can also be set with the new “Meter” submenu, or with the “Peak meter” and “RMS meter” options in the track properties dialog.

• Setting up pre/post faders and meters is now easily done with new shortcuts. The track menu has two new submenus: “Meter” and “Fader”. These menus shows all effect tracks in the chain, allowing to set the fader or meter at any effect in the chain. The submenus also has commands for enabling gain, pan, peak meter and RMS meter for each track.

• The effect chain of each track is displayed as a miniature at the bottom of the mixer strip. The miniature consists of a grid of blocks, where each row represents an effect track, the first column represents fader position and the second column represents meter position. A fully drawn block indicates where the fader and meter is currently positioned (pre, post or inbetween). Bus sends are illustrated by framed blocks instead of filled blocks. Clicking the blocks in the miniature will set fader and meter positions.

• The mixer meters now show peak hold values. This feature can be configured with the “show peak hold values” option in the mixer region properties dialog. Clicking the peak hold value box will reset the value. Double-clicking any peak hold value box will reset the value for all mixer strips.

• Fix: Creating subfolders in the project template folder would mess up the Project menu.

Note that in this beta the pod file format does not yet save the new track and arrangement settings. So if you save your project file, it will open in older Podium versions.

If you try this beta, I’ll be happy to hear your opinion and any suggestions for improvements.

@sam c wrote:

Frits, i have been gone awhile, this is great to come back and see!

Any idea when it will be released?

Welcome back. I hope to have a release ready in the coming weekend.

@Conquistador wrote:

So a separate Pre Post button for Metering (simple one really as it gives you Pre / Post Effect Chain readings) and a separate Fader Pre Post button that would switch the fader controls in a Mixer strip to Pre FX chain or Post FX chain. So these buttons for Meter (Pre Post) and another for Fader (Pre Post) would essentially be simplified versions of your Fader and Meter right click commands.

Some sort of Pop up on the buttons would help to explain I think.

Did I understand your post correctly? 🙂

I think we’re on the same page now 🙂

I thought about a button/indicator that shows fader and meter status, and came up with the following:

There is a miniature chain image at the bottom right of each strip. Each row in the miniature represents an effect track. The first column of blocks represents fader position, and the second column meter position. A fully drawn block indicates that this is the track that the fader/meter is assigned to. The middle selected track in the screenshot shows that the fader is pre-effects, and the meter is post-effects.

The miniature could be clicked using shift/alt/control key combinations to quickly set pre/post of fader and meter. Right-clicking the minature will open only the fader menu, and shift-right-clicking will open only the meter menu.

Tell me if I’m taking this too far 😉

@Conquistador wrote:

Ok…so the Fader command would effectively let a user hot swap the visible track meter for *any* track in the chain judging by your description?

The “Meter” menu sets the track that is shown on the meter. The “Fader” menu sets the track that is gain/pan controlled. So the gain/pan and meter may be set to different tracks. Is this too much flexibility?

But if a user wants to see their EQ, Compressor and Instrument track meters all at once in the mixer, how can this still be done if you remove the “Hide Mixer strip” command?

It can’t be done. I was just considering that it would be overkill to view multiple meters simultaneously at different positions in an effect chain, and that the new shortcut for selecting a meter track would be sufficient. But I’ll let the hide option stay for now.

But…keep that functionality as it is clever and very flexible but why not allow a user to also simply click on a Post button to quickly check Post FX chain readings?

In your post you mention a pre/post button sometimes in relation to faders and sometimes for meters, so please tell me: What should this pre/post switch button control? Is it the fader, the meter, or both? Or should there be separate buttons for fader pre/post and meter pre/post?

@bladerunner wrote:

i have made 15 patches so far. how do i upload them? i looked at the wiki but couldn’t see an edit button as per instructions

I’ve added a line to the instructions on the wiki page, which I suspect explains why you can’t edit the page:

“Click the Login button at the top left corner and type your forum username and password.”