Topic: Preview 2.04: Pre/post fader and meter improvements

@Zynewave wrote:

Tell me if I’m taking this too far

:frustrated: I am not sure how to say this but this time I think… 🙄 🙄 🙄 …

It’s absolutely great! 😛

The idea is so good I can see it being extended to other areas of Podium. But I don’t want 2.04 released in the year 2040 so I will leave those ideas until after 2.04 is released. LOL!

There is a miniature chain image at the bottom right of each strip. Each row in the miniature represents an effect track. The first column of blocks represents fader position, and the second column meter position.

A truly radically clever idea and software interpretation of the hardware mixer Pre / Post Paradigm. Super.

A fully drawn block indicates that this is the track that the fader/meter is assigned to. The middle selected track in the screenshot shows that the fader is pre-effects, and the meter is post-effects.

Great!

Some suggestions though…

The miniature could be clicked using shift/alt/control key combinations to quickly set pre/post of fader and meter.

1.I really see no need for key commands here. I would simply click on the Pre Post Mixer Grid. I would not even think about simply clicking on it.

This is not a feature IMO (and judging by the massively positive response) that will be used very rarely or here and there. I personally would use this heavily. I just want to click and go. That’s it. I would not want to have to negotiate or tangle with “shift/alt/control key combinations” just to click a block in the PPMG (Pre Post Mixer Grid)

Right-clicking the minature will open only the fader menu, and shift-right-clicking will open only the meter menu.

2.Why use shift-clicking here? A user should be able to access both menus (Fader or Meter) the same way. As per your original right click idea for these commands. Your first image in this thread illustrates my point perfectly. That idea is absolutely fine IMO, you got it right the first time (Fader and Meter commands accessible by right clicking, with no shift click). Why complicate it by adding another step that is not needed with a shift-right-click combo to access the Meter Menu?

A right click on the MG should IMO bring up the Meter *and* Fader Menus.

3. The MG (Mixer Grid) idea is just pure class….but placing my mouse cursor over your MG image (right in the box) made me think this would be a somewhat needlessly small hit point for a cursor to hit considering there is more space to use horizontally on a Mixer strip. Just a slight widening of the MG (there is space) would create a little bit more space to click in.

Lets not forget how powerful the MG is. Moving faders (Gain / Pan) settings and Meters around so easily needs an equally easy way or easierway to avoid clicking the wrong Fader or Meter in the MG box.

Just a slight widening of the MG is all I think is needed.

So instead of this…

…this (below) would provide a slighty bigger hit point for a mouse cursor reducing the possibility of clicking the wrong block (Meter / Fader) in the MG.

Podiums MG incredibly builds on the Hierarchy idea and provides a superb way to tap into the power of it. Pure Class.

With so much power and flexibiltiy on offer, at times over the years it seemed Podiums strength was at times it’s weakness. It was never the power or flexibility there, but how to present that in an easy way for users to tap into it and ‘get’ Podium.

You have totally cracked it Frits. Brilliant. With more marketing, videos and documentation added over time to really explain all these great features in more detail, I think Podium will have a very bright future. 🙂

@Zynewave wrote:

I have already changed this behaviour. The blocks in the miniature are now a bit larger and can be clicked directly to set the fader/meter position.

Oh great thanks!

Right-clicking the left column opens the fader menu, and right-clicking the right column opens the meter menu.

Could be a tight squeeze in a small space, in any case it’s a slick idea but I would only suggest a pop up appearing over the MG to guide a user to those menus. I really like the idea but it’s not something I would think of doing…clicking on either block to bring a menu up. A simple pop up (which can be switched off) could at least explain briefly how to access the menus. I think that would work very well with your idea here.

The miniature is now aligned to the right side of the strip (like the SMR buttons). There need to be some space between the miniature and the meters because this space is used to write RMS scale indications if RMS meter is enabled.

Nice idea. Makes sense.

The Fader and Meter submenus are still available in the track menu. Right-clicking the miniature is just a shortcut for showing only the Fader and Meter menu commands.

Ok I did not know the Fader and Meter submenus will also remain in the Track menu. Everything seems fine now! Many thanks! 🙂

The MG IMO is another major selling point for Podium.

@Zynewave wrote:

Peak hold values under the meters.

Sorry I forgot to ask Frits…could you also possibly allow the values under the meters to also show RMS values?

Maybe a right click on the value box could bring up a small Peak & RMS menu. A simple click on either Peak or RMS commands could switch the value reading under the meters.

Even if a user ‘forgot’ which metering value type (Peak or RMS) was active at the bottom of the mixer strip, the existing vertical meters in 2.04 (Peak or RMS) would provide an easy quick visual reminder as one of those vertical meters would of course mirror the visible value in the box, below the vertical meters.

@Zynewave wrote:

@Conquistador wrote:

@Zynewave wrote:

Peak hold values under the meters.

Sorry I forgot to ask Frits…could you also possibly allow the values under the meters to also show RMS values?

The coming release most likely will not have this option. But we can discuss further meter options, once you’ve tried 2.04.

Cheers Frits. Looking forward to 2.04. It looks like a really forward thinking update. Great. 🙂

Thanks for providing a beta!

All seems to work as expected but there is one thing that I don’t understand or its a bug. Clicking the little boxes (the left one) for the fader in the new miniature chain view on a mixer strip does not change the fader position when selecting another track in the chain.

Is it possible to change the font in of the peak hold value to a smaller one?

I really like the new RMS display and the K Metering, great addition.

Yes! Thanks for the beta 🙂

I guess swindus is talking about the fader handler. say we have an empty track and we add one effect. the small box-switch appears and we can switch between pre/post. the fader handler should now update its position accordingly to the signal path position. example: set pre fader to -10db and post to 0db. if you switch between pre/post the fader(/pan?) doesn’t update.

the default setting would be nice.

are there any thoughts on the behaviour with inserting new effects? if its possible (and some more users want to have this) I would prefer that if fader and meter is set to post (the last position in the chain) and a new effect is added that meter and fader automatically reset to the new last effect. in short: if its set to post it will stay post.

personally I like the font (-size) the way it is but the option frits mentioned won’t hurt 🙂

btw: these features look really nice frits. thanks again!