Strange. Please email your project file.
done.
Some quirks I have found:
@Zynewave wrote:
• Added “use as group track” option to the track properties dialog. Group tracks will be available in the new group panel menus with commands for managing tracks in groups. Note that normal tracks will appear as group tracks, if you have used modular routing mode to set up more than one child track.
After changing this bit of a track to true the group panel doesn’t shows the new state of the track. Only after clicking a button like ‘X’ or using the Ctrl + PageUp/PageDown shortcut the group panels updates to the new state.
I also manged it to create an empty track without any mapping on the top of the track structure by using the “use as group track” bit on several tracks in a strip but don’t know how to reproduce it yet.
All other things added are working properly on my setup! Good work!
@swindus wrote:
I also manged it to create an empty track without any mapping on the top of the track structure by using the “use as group track” bit on several tracks in a strip but don’t know how to reproduce it yet.
This happens after making a param track to a group track, in this example the filter_cutoff track.
@acousmod wrote:
I simply select New Arrangement with default 4 track or other value, and there is no track in this new arrangement.
Then If I select New track, no track is created.
It is the same if I choose Compact or Modular.
This happened because the code for creating a new arrangement only looked for mono or stereo audio output mappings. Your project only had a 5.1 output mapping. This is now fixed, and I’ve uploaded beta2 with the following additional features:
• Changed the track luminance offsets in the color setup dialog to apply to group, bounce and parameter tracks. The luminance offsets are now also applied to the track headers, so that track header and events on the track are colored identically.
• Deleting a track automatically deletes any child parameter tracks.
• Deleting a track in compact track layout mode will delete all tracks in the chain.
• The old “delete track” context menu command is divided into specific commands according to the clicked track. New commands are: “delete effect track”, “delete bounce track”, “delete group track”, “delete group and child tracks”.
• Changed the track header context menu to only show relevant options for the track type.
This is now fixed
OK, no more problem now.
Some suggestions :
– when I select an effect track in the Inspector it would be good to see the relative track in the arrangement selected too, or someting that shows that its relative effect track is selected
– with a certain amount of tracks, group tracks and effect tracks, it become very difficult to understand the structure in the Inspector because there is no more idea of “which goes into which”, we loose all visual information of routing and more confusing, it is very hard to see what track in the Inspector corresponds to what track in the arrangement because of the previous point
I also whish that we will have an option to NOT HIDE new created tracks, or a command like “unhide all”.
Problem : if I move a track which has a hierarchical position 2 below a track group which has several effect tracks with the top beeing at position 2 and the bottom at position 4 for example, the moved track doesn’t keep its position (2) but is then at position 4.
The names : the word “Modular” opposed to “Compact” looks strange because I cant really see what is “modular” in its presentation if I compare it to real modular views like in EnergyXT, the racks in Tracktion or even the Matrix in Reaper. Perhaps it would be more convenient to call it “Expanded” or ‘Detailed” or something like this ?
By the way, a true modular view (with editing) of the arrangement structure will be a dream ! 😉
@Zynewave wrote:
There are still things that needs to be fixed, and more features still to come. But since this release has been in development for a long time now, I would appreciate some feedback on the new stuff.
Ok, I have another Vista installation that I can install this on and provide feedback. Even if you are not addressing Vista issues now the changes to the GUI e.t.c are OS independent anyway… downloading now…
Hmmmm
Frits if I open a project that was created in a previous version of Podium and then change the mode to compact mode from the arrangement properties option, the visual look and feel of the GP and Track view does not change is that correct?
– when I select an effect track in the Inspector it would be good to see the relative track in the arrangement selected too, or someting that shows that its relative effect track is selected
– with a certain amount of tracks, group tracks and effect tracks, it become very difficult to understand the structure in the Inspector because there is no more idea of “which goes into which”, we loose all visual information of routing and more confusing, it is very hard to see what track in the Inspector corresponds to what track in the arrangement because of the previous point
I’m going to improve this when I add the miniature group panel to the track headers.
Problem : if I move a track which has a hierarchical position 2 below a track group which has several effect tracks with the top beeing at position 2 and the bottom at position 4 for example, the moved track doesn’t keep its position (2) but is then at position 4
Please post a screenshot or email a project with the problem scenario. Note that if you move a track below a group track, the track will be moved into the group.
The names : the word “Modular” opposed to “Compact” looks strange
I’ve changed Modular to Expanded.
@Conquistador wrote:
Hmmmm
Frits if I open a project that was created in a previous version of Podium and then change the mode to compact mode from the arrangement properties option, the visual look and feel of the GP and Track view does not change is that correct?
The group panel looks the same whether using compact or modular mode. If you have effect tracks with hidden lanes (shown as group bars to the left of the source track in modular mode), these should disappear in compact mode.
@Zynewave wrote:
@Conquistador wrote:
Hmmmm
Frits if I open a project that was created in a previous version of Podium and then change the mode to compact mode from the arrangement properties option, the visual look and feel of the GP and Track view does not change is that correct?
The group panel looks the same whether using compact or modular mode. If you have effect tracks with hidden lanes (shown as group bars to the left of the source track in modular mode), these should disappear in compact mode.
Thanks Frits. Interestingly it appears any track (not just an effect track) will disappear or be hidden from view in compact mode if the group bar…
<<<<< …layout is initially visible in Modular mode and then followed by a user switch to Compact mode. I assume this is what you meant as an “effect track” description (for the sake of new / potential users reading this thread) might lead one to think it has to have a mapping on it before it is hidden in Compact mode from view which is not the case as of Beta 2 anyway. Of course that effect track can also be converted to a bounce track e.t.c but getting back on topic… 😉 I am putting together some more feedback based on my findings so far…
Note that if you move a track below a group track, the track will be moved into the group.
Yes, it is that.
But If I want to change the order of my tracks, I don’t want that a track becomes a child track of a group.
Example :
If I want to put Track A below Track B by dragging it, the result is :
If I move track B above the result is OK :
I think that the result might be the same in both cases.
Perhaps that if I move it with a modifier key I can force it to be a child of a group ? Otherwise the hierarchical order is conserved ?
I’m going to improve this when I add the miniature group panel to the track headers.
OK 😉
Perhaps that if I move it with a modifier key I can force it to be a child of a group ? Otherwise the hierarchical order is conserved ?
Thanks for the screenshots. It confirms to me that your drag actions behaves as I intended it to. I want the “compact” mode to be as simple as possible, and one important simplification was to remove the horizontal placement when dragging tracks. This ensures that you don’t accidentally mess up the hierarchy. So I’m not fond of adding a modifier key to allow placement of a dragged track on a different hierarchy level. As you described in your third screenshot, you can achieve what you want by dragging the group track instead of the single track. You can also use the “move track” submenus in the track inspector.
@swindus wrote:
@swindus wrote:
I also manged it to create an empty track without any mapping on the top of the track structure by using the “use as group track” bit on several tracks in a strip but don’t know how to reproduce it yet.
This happens after making a param track to a group track, in this example the filter_cutoff track.
The bottom empty box you highlighted appears when there are no child tracks in a group track. The empty box is shown to make room for the menu button to the right, which you use to create a new child track in the empty group. An unrelated problem your post highlights, is that it should not be possible to convert a param track into a group track. I’ve solved this now by implementing a “Parameter Track Properties” dialog, which only has a few relevant settings from the normal track dialog.
@swindus wrote:
After changing this bit of a track to true the group panel doesn’t shows the new state of the track. Only after clicking a button like ‘X’ or using the Ctrl + PageUp/PageDown shortcut the group panels updates to the new state.
I can’t reproduce this. Can you provide more details? What do you mean with the “new state”?
I want the “compact” mode to be as simple as possible, and one important simplification was to remove the horizontal placement when dragging tracks. This ensures that you don’t accidentally mess up the hierarchy.
I understand, but in this case moving a track results precisely in messing up the hierarchy. It will be perhaps a little disturbing for beginners (like for me !) to see that a same action (moving a track) results in different results depending on if you drag up or down.
So I’m not fond of adding a modifier key to allow placement of a dragged track on a different hierarchy level
I agree. But if I have well understood the goal of the Compact mode, to place a track on a different hierarchy level must be rather made with the sub menus in the Inspector, and simple ordering, without the risk to change the hierarchy position in the track view.
It seems to me to be more coherent…
Perhaps you will see what other users think about it ?
By the way, if the Compact mode becomes as useful as I guess, I think that it would be a shame not to allow people to move a track in the hierarchy in the track view by simply move it horizontally with a modifier key. It costs nothing and doesn’t clutter the interface.
You know that I am not fond at all of modifier keys (!), but in this case, since it is something that we don’t do very often, it can be usefull.
If people prefer to do it with the submenus in the Inspector they can always.
Also, do you intend to restore the Group Hierarchy Level option in the Track Properties ? It has disapeared too in the Expanded Mode.
It was usefull to be able to choose it when we created a new track with a double-click.