Topic: Preview: Compact track layout

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done.

@swindus wrote:

I also manged it to create an empty track without any mapping on the top of the track structure by using the “use as group track” bit on several tracks in a strip but don’t know how to reproduce it yet.

This happens after making a param track to a group track, in this example the filter_cutoff track.

This is now fixed

OK, no more problem now.

Some suggestions :
– when I select an effect track in the Inspector it would be good to see the relative track in the arrangement selected too, or someting that shows that its relative effect track is selected
– with a certain amount of tracks, group tracks and effect tracks, it become very difficult to understand the structure in the Inspector because there is no more idea of “which goes into which”, we loose all visual information of routing and more confusing, it is very hard to see what track in the Inspector corresponds to what track in the arrangement because of the previous point

I also whish that we will have an option to NOT HIDE new created tracks, or a command like “unhide all”.

Problem : if I move a track which has a hierarchical position 2 below a track group which has several effect tracks with the top beeing at position 2 and the bottom at position 4 for example, the moved track doesn’t keep its position (2) but is then at position 4.

The names : the word “Modular” opposed to “Compact” looks strange because I cant really see what is “modular” in its presentation if I compare it to real modular views like in EnergyXT, the racks in Tracktion or even the Matrix in Reaper. Perhaps it would be more convenient to call it “Expanded” or ‘Detailed” or something like this ?
By the way, a true modular view (with editing) of the arrangement structure will be a dream ! 😉

Hmmmm

Frits if I open a project that was created in a previous version of Podium and then change the mode to compact mode from the arrangement properties option, the visual look and feel of the GP and Track view does not change is that correct?

Note that if you move a track below a group track, the track will be moved into the group.

Yes, it is that.

But If I want to change the order of my tracks, I don’t want that a track becomes a child track of a group.

Example :

If I want to put Track A below Track B by dragging it, the result is :

If I move track B above the result is OK :

I think that the result might be the same in both cases.

Perhaps that if I move it with a modifier key I can force it to be a child of a group ? Otherwise the hierarchical order is conserved ?

I’m going to improve this when I add the miniature group panel to the track headers.

OK 😉

I want the “compact” mode to be as simple as possible, and one important simplification was to remove the horizontal placement when dragging tracks. This ensures that you don’t accidentally mess up the hierarchy.

I understand, but in this case moving a track results precisely in messing up the hierarchy. It will be perhaps a little disturbing for beginners (like for me !) to see that a same action (moving a track) results in different results depending on if you drag up or down.

So I’m not fond of adding a modifier key to allow placement of a dragged track on a different hierarchy level

I agree. But if I have well understood the goal of the Compact mode, to place a track on a different hierarchy level must be rather made with the sub menus in the Inspector, and simple ordering, without the risk to change the hierarchy position in the track view.
It seems to me to be more coherent…

Perhaps you will see what other users think about it ?

By the way, if the Compact mode becomes as useful as I guess, I think that it would be a shame not to allow people to move a track in the hierarchy in the track view by simply move it horizontally with a modifier key. It costs nothing and doesn’t clutter the interface.
You know that I am not fond at all of modifier keys (!), but in this case, since it is something that we don’t do very often, it can be usefull.
If people prefer to do it with the submenus in the Inspector they can always.

Also, do you intend to restore the Group Hierarchy Level option in the Track Properties ? It has disapeared too in the Expanded Mode.
It was usefull to be able to choose it when we created a new track with a double-click.